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March 13, 2012 @ 06:08 PM

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For all you producers out there I have a question

Where do you draw the line between looping a song and sampling

I recently witnessed some shit on twitter where a producer sampled a plain pat beat and added synths and made it his, then a rapper sampled the producers beat but basically looped the whole song and claimed it as his beat

Where do you draw the line between looping something and it actually being yours

I know Nujabes does that too where he'll only loop a song and not even add drums or anything just speed it up or slow it down a little
March 13, 2012 @ 06:47 PM
Gilly Suits

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I feel looped samples are fine myself as long as they add something such as a synth line in background plus creative poly-rhythm drums. I hate boom bap looped samples as you referenced. That's not creative or doing anything new you basically did a simple BS mashup.

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March 13, 2012 @ 06:50 PM
thoroprod

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if it sounds like the song u sampled then it aint yours

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March 13, 2012 @ 06:59 PM
NapoleonComplex

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if it sounds like the song u sampled then it aint yours

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March 13, 2012 @ 07:05 PM

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if it sounds like the song u sampled then it aint yours



nah that's not true because a majority of sampled music sounds like the song, if it didn't sound like the song then why sample it. why not just start from scratch

if you go by that logic then 85% of sampled music isn't the producers
March 13, 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Pretty much, if you did nothing to the beat its just a loop, there's really nothing wrong with loops if there just to rap over, but if you're a producer and you put a loop up for purchase or some shit, you're an asshole
March 13, 2012 @ 08:23 PM
ksj

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It is very hard to dictate the integrity of one's beat. Especially if it is a basic sample of a song that is quite well known to the producing community.
March 13, 2012 @ 08:25 PM
Smugg

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I dont sample but when its done tastefully I support it 100%.when I can tell that your track is sampled I have less respect for it because I dont feel like you really "made" anything.
March 13, 2012 @ 09:15 PM
thoroprod

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whatever the case, if the final product is aesthetic to the ears it shouldn't even matter how it was made, don't criticize it just enjoy it.

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March 13, 2012 @ 09:23 PM
slrsnds

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I dont sample but when its done tastefully I support it 100%.when I can tell that your track is sampled I have less respect for it because I dont feel like you really "made" anything.


This. If it's just a loop/backing track with minimal drums I don't really consider it original, not saying its always bad though.
March 16, 2012 @ 11:50 PM
descry

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whatever the case, if the final product is aesthetic to the ears it shouldn't even matter how it was made, don't criticize it just enjoy it.


agreed, it's about the the final product...who cares if you straight looped it or chopped it. if it's dope, it's dope.
March 17, 2012 @ 02:20 AM
tunnelno5

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I used to have such a battle with this internally as a producer for so long. Before sampling, I literally thought that musicians were in the studio playing the riff. When i first found out about sampling from a homie back in '08, i had such mixed feelings. I shed the violin so much to be the player i am, i was angry about the fact that samplers were calling themselves musicians.
Sampling is a huge gray area of creation. I soon came to realization how powerful sampling and the culture can be, which leads me to my opinion of the topic.

First and foremost, half of hip hop is looped. Whether its a loop, or chopped up into fragments like Primo, music is music. I understand the hate for looping, but fuck thats what hip hop is. If "elite" people bitch about looping, then you best play an instrument well in my opinion. If i hear a loop and it's crack, you best believe i'm going to loop it. i don't care, if it sounds good.

I am so humble when it comes to samples. in general, my homies listen to shit music, just stuff that is bad-taste. when they listen to my beats and they feel it, it always gives me the humbling thought that people could like good music if they give it the chance, people just don't. i feel like i am the vessel that brought that song from the crates back to someones ears. i feel as if i'm a reincarnation in another era, that digger feeling, you know?

Sometimes i loop, sometimes ill chop. it really depends on the moment in time and what i'm feeling.

in conclusion, because of hip hop, sampling in particular, i've listened to music that i never thought i would. i never listened to jazz, soul, or any obscure music before hip hop, now i can't stop


apologies, i wish i could be more eloquent, but just my random thoughts.

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March 17, 2012 @ 04:55 AM
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^YES YES AND YES!

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