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[URL] "KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) – Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Thursday pardoned an Afghan woman serving a 12-year prison sentence for having sex out of wedlock after she was raped by a relative. Karzai's office said in a statement that the woman and her attacker have agreed to marry. That would reverse an earlier decision by the 19-year-old woman, who had previously refused a judge's offer of freedom if she agreed to marry the rapist."

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[Quote] Probably one of the most ridiculous and stupid statements that I have ever read... Prominent atheist/author/neuroscientist Sam Harris: "On Aug. 17, 2005, an Iraqi insurgent helped collect the injured survivors of a car bombing, rushed them to a hospital and then detonated his own bomb, murdering those who were already mortally wounded as well as the doctors and nurses struggling to save their lives. Where were the cries of outrage from the Muslim world? Religious sociopaths kill innocents by the hundreds in the capitols of Europe, blow up the offices of the U.N. and the Red Cross, purposefully annihilate crowds of children gathered to collect candy from U.S. soldiers on the streets of Baghdad, kidnap journalists, behead them, and the videos of their butchery become the most popular form of pornography in the Muslim world, and no one utters a word of protest because these atrocities have been perpetrated “in defense of Islam.” But draw a picture of the Prophet, and pious mobs convulse with pious rage. One could hardly ask for a better example of religious dogmatism and its pseudo-morality eclipsing basic, human goodness. It is time we recognized—and obliged the Muslim world to recognize—that “Muslim extremism” is not extreme among Muslims. Mainstream Islam itself represents an extremist rejection of intellectual honesty, gender equality, secular politics and genuine pluralism. The truth about Islam is as politically incorrect as it is terrifying: Islam is all fringe and no center. In Islam, we confront a civilization with an arrested history. It is as though a portal in time has opened, and the Christians of the 14th century are pouring into our world. So let us now acknowledge the obvious: there is a direct link between the doctrine of Islam and Muslim violence. Acknowledging this link remains especially taboo among political liberals. While liberals are leery of religious fundamentalism in general, they consistently imagine that all religions at their core teach the same thing and teach it equally well. This is one of the many delusions borne of political correctness. Rather than continue to squander precious time, energy, and good will by denying the role that Islam now plays in perpetuating Muslim violence, we should urge Muslim communities, East and West, to reform the ideology of their religion. This will not be easy, as the Koran and hadith offer precious little basis for a Muslim Enlightenment, but it is necessary. The truth that we must finally confront is that Islam contains specific notions of martyrdom and jihad that fully explain the character of Muslim violence. Unless the world’s Muslims can find some way of expunging the metaphysics that is fast turning their religion into a cult of death, we will ultimately face the same perversely destructive behavior throughout much of the world. It should be clear that I am not speaking about a race or an ethnicity here; I am speaking about the logical consequences of specific ideas. Anyone who imagines that terrestrial concerns account for Muslim terrorism must answer questions of the following sort: Where are the Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers? The Tibetans have suffered an occupation far more brutal, and far more cynical, than any that Britain, the United States, or Israel have ever imposed upon the Muslim world. Where are the throngs of Tibetans ready to perpetrate suicidal atrocities against Chinese noncombatants? They do not exist. What is the difference that makes the difference? The difference lies in the specific tenets of Islam. This is not to say that Buddhism could not help inspire suicidal violence. It can, and it has (Japan, World War II). But this concedes absolutely nothing to the apologists for Islam. As a Buddhist, one has to work extremely hard to justify such barbarism. One need not work nearly so hard as a Muslim. If you doubt whether the comparison is valid, ask yourself where the Palestinian Christian suicide bombers are. Palestinian Christians also suffer the indignity of the Israeli occupation. This is practically a science experiment: take the same people, speaking the same language, put them in the same horrendous circumstance, but give them slightly different religious beliefs—and then watch what happens. What happens is, they behave differently."

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FYI I find it very troubling the way in which you ignore the act of beheading and the act of cutting off of fingertips.. You also insinuate Theo Van Gogh deserved some sort of penalty for making a movie about Islam.. This is also very troubling.. Do you not support free speech? You try to argue that the cutting off of hands and feet Isn't torture because they committed theft and somehow deserved that penalty? That is sick, It is torture and is in the Quran. You act like the gruesome commands in the quran to commit violence are not relevant today, well im sorry they are.. A Nigerian man's hand has been amputated as a punishment (for theft) ordered by an Islamic Sharia court.. [Image] Too many people on this forum do not understand the pain and suffering inflicted on humans because of the belief in "holy" texts, some of you either do not care about human rights, or are simply ignorant about what is going on in other Countries because of the belief in "Holy" texts. I will not stand for this and neither should you.

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[Quote] FYI I find it very troubling the way in which you ignore the act of beheading and the act of cutting off of fingertips.. Yes I know the Chapter as I have read the Quran and many Hadiths on the subject.. The Tafsir Al-Jalalayn explains: “that is, smite the extremities of their hands and feet: thus, when one of them went to strike an disbeliever’s head, it would roll off before his sword reached it.” Verse 12 became one of the chief justifications for the Islamic practice then and now of beheading hostages and war captives... At the beheading of American hostage Nicholas Berg in May 2004, the now dead Iraqi jihad leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi invoked the great battle: “Is it not time for you Muslims to take the path of jihad and carry the sword of the Prophet of prophets? The Prophet, the most merciful, ordered his army to strike the necks of some prisoners in the battle of Badr and to kill them….And he set a good example for us.” I'll address your other posts later tonight unfortunately I have to get to class...

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[Quote] What? Actually slavery is still practiced in the Sudan, Niger, Mauritania and a few other places of the Muslim world... A fatwa was recently issued from a mainstream Islamic source reminding a Muslim that he has a divine right to rape female slaves and discipline resisters in whatever manner he thinks is appropriate... [URL]

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[Quote] What? From what I have read it seems you are confused as to what atheism is. Atheism is not a political agenda or an economic philosophy. It offers no moral guidance and has no dogma to follow. Atheism is the absence of belief in a god or gods. It is nothing more than that. As such atheism is the epitome of free thought. Any attempt to impose atheism or to undermine the rights of conscience of other individuals or groups of individuals in the name of atheism goes beyond the scope of atheism itself and must be attributed to other factors. Quran Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger or strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" Notice the word mischeif. Muhammad justified the killing of several poets who criticized him by receiving the above "revelation" .. In todays times we see people getting killed in the streets for drawing a picture of Muhammad such as in the case of Theo Van Gogh.. Torture: Qur'an 5:38 - "As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power." Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter [of non-believers] and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." Slavery Muslims are encouraged to live in the way of Muhammad who was a slave owner and trader. Muhammad captured slaves in battle, had sex with his slaves, and he instructed his men to do the same. The Qur'an actually devotes more verses to making sure that Muslim men know they can keep women as sex slaves than it does to telling them to pray five times a day.

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[URL] I'm an atheist. So no they don't.

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[Quote] What exactly makes me racist? Pointing out the Hatred, commands to violence, and intolerance in peoples "holy" texts? You might actually want to do a little research on this "christian fundamentalist" you speak of.. Prominent atheist author Sam Harris had a great piece on this atrocity which can be found here: [URL] This is taken from the killer Breivik's 1500 page manifesto: "I’m not going to pretend I’m a very religious person as that would be a lie. I’ve always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment. In the past, I remember I used to think; Religion is a crutch for weak people. What is the point in believing in a higher power if you have confidence in yourself!? Pathetic.”

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[Quote] You must not be very familiar with the Quran or Hadith. The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. I agree most Muslims are not violent. Most Muslims this day and age do not do what their texts say. Why? Well because they exercise their judgment as moral beings without having to refer to "holy" books. "A third of Muslim students in Britain believe killing someone in the name of religion is justified, a new poll claims." [URL]

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[Quote] Specific beliefs matter, they matter a whole lot. Do you not read the newspaper or watch the news? You obviously don't realize how many killings/atrocities are the direct result of what people believe about god. One example of this would be the UK suicide bombing plot that took place in 2009. The would be suicide bombers were all doctors, one happened to be neurosurgeon. It was not a matter of economics and lack of education that led them to want to commit these crimes. It was their specific beliefs of martyrdom + jihad and their ideas on paradise and 72 virgins that was the encouraging factor for them to want to commit such despicable acts. The deeper problem and I think a far more sinister problem is that it is possible to be well educated, so well educated that you can be a neurosurgeon and still believe that you can get 72 virgins in paradise. This is made possible by the fact that we have allowed the criticism of religious belief to become taboo.

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[Quote] actually it's not that hard...

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