Trust me, I've thought of ALL that and discussed about each of those points with other people and on other forums.
the SQ thing definitely raised my suspicions too, but if you think about it there are all kinds of explanations. Status Quo was the only crew that wasn't criticized the week before (Broadway Challenge), they were consistently at the top ever since their hyped soulja boy routine, and they monopolized both the black vote and the raw-street-style vote while Jabba/Kaba split the asian vote and the precise-intricate-style vote. Now before you get on me about this, I'm not saying every black person voted for SQ and every asian voted for Jabba/Kaba...but when you're talking about millions of votes, that does factor in. It's not racism, it's demographics. And speaking of demographics, the type of people who would vote for Status Quo (black people, casual viewers impressed by stunts) are less likely to geek out on facebook, myspace, and message boards than Jabba/Kaba fans, which would explain their apparent lack of internet support compared to the two asian crews.
True. This is another explanation I also read on some other forums. I agree about the demographics, but I honestly still think that they (MTV) couldn't handle a Kaba vs Jabba final, due to how many common supporters they both have. And about the whole black people voting for SQ (phone votes), I find that a little bit questionable. I've never seen an ounce of support for SQ even from the black people I know and talked to. But I'm speaking on what I saw, and that doesn't include the whole country. All I remember was that Jabba was already highly favored ever since the superman stunt in their Lean Wit It, Rock Wit It routine.
With a closer look, second season makes sense as well. Super Cr3w landed on the bottom 2 after a very poorly received performance (the speed-up challenge, when they were gold statues), so that isn't suspicious at all. When they leap frogged out of the bottom, it was after they eliminated crews they probably gained votes from--Supreme Soul due to similar appeal, and Fanny Pak due to their obvious support (remember Matt Cady's "vote right" speech? ). Plus, they gradually incorporated more "choreography", which was most people's intial gripe with them.
As much as I love Ronnie and have been a huge fan of his stuff + Full Force Crew, I think that Super Crew won based on tricks/stunts. Season 2 was the season where tricks/stunts won over the crowd instead of the previous season, where intricate and fluid choreo (which was also very entertaining and fun to watch, specifically from Kaba and Jabba) was the top factor. Additionally, just as Jabba already won the competition with their superman trick, I think SC won with their Ballin' performance, which was their first major, most memorable performance, imo. Everything after that was them just living up to it, and sticking in there. They had the crowd in their favor, so you can say they had their votes as well. The trouble I had was as much as SC was progressing, Fanny Pak was on their asses every week. Being a TM fan, I thought that TM would knock out FP, who was basically an underdog. Yet they rose up to be top 3. Good shit, you know?
And I agree with you on the Supreme Soul + Fanny Pak support. I forgot to mention that. The 'vote right' line by Cady just supported Lil Mama when she told everybody to vote right because, and correct me if I'm wrong, Supreme Soul and SC were thrown in the bottom 2. I can agree that SS's video of CJ (Pharside) saying that SoReal is fucking wack, really helped SC take it. But looking at it, if votes really do count, wouldn't SoReal's large fanbase vote for them way more than SS + FP + SC fans would? After all, I, as well as many others, was pissed when SS was knocked out way too early (fuck Boogie Bots, yeah I said it).
Bringing up Shane (I'll talk more about him soon), his enormous bias for Super Crew throughout the entire season (maybe not 1-2 episodes) really put the sword in stone, for me personally. I had a gut feeling when he said SoReal was destined to be top 2 (he mentioned this during their Entourage routine), as a placeholder, so to speak. But you can argue (and I know you will, you sly devil, you) that SoReal does have a ridiculous fanbase, which they do. I'm not denying that. I knew deep down the finale was gonna be SC vs SR.
I agree that Shane appears biased, but how does that prove it's rigged? If anything, suggest the opposite. If there was a big conspiracy, he would be dumb for making it look so suspicious. Rather, it seems like he's trying to sway voters, which would mean the votes count.
As I said before, Randy, being main producers, most likely already set it up with his team. I don't think he watches the show at all; at the live auditions in season 2, he walked out, talked some shit about the crews "being hot," and introduced Jabba for their performance. He comes off as fake to me, and I think he doesn't really care about the show as much as he cares about American Idol (let's be honest; they pay him more on FOX).
And about Shane, I said this before (hate bringing it up), but Shane and the judges probably don't have any say in who goes home each week. And I think he is
that dumb. The judges, throughout this season, were fucking confused and surprised when he mentioned the line about BF being America's Best Dance Crew. That comes off as a huge spoiler to me.
And whenever the crowd cheers when he says such comments, that means more votes. Or you could argue that BF is already locked in for the finale and potentially the win.
I'm all for speculation, but to speak so surely that it's rigged when it's not really conclusive is overboard. It's very appealing and popular to be all suspicious of The Powers That Be, so you gotta be suspicious of yourself, too, because you might be just interpreting everything as a sign of what you already wanted to believe. It's also natural emotional reaction to results that don't match your personal opinion...sometimes you want someone or something to blame.
I don't think MTV would say 'hey, this show is rigged.' They'd be stupid to show that publicly. But to further prove my point, why does the MTV clause for the show include the line (and I paraphrase), "MTV has the right to change outcome"? Have a look for yourself. It's on the site. Sure, you can say I'm biased; who isn't? But I'm pretty sure in what I say. I've only been wrong once about speculation, and that was about Quest being Kaba'd and the finale being 2 girl crews. Also, the fact that Shane's love for BF right from the very first episode sealed the deal for me. I mentioned it somewhere in this thread, pages back, that BF won it before they even got on.
:: And I'm glad I could go back and forth with you on this topic. Usually when I write huge blocks of text, people agree with me, but it's fun to have a discussion, which is somewhat lacking in this thread. Good shit.