April 15, 2009 at 05:18:42 Apr 15, 2009 @ 05:18
gargantuan difference, hahahaha.
I think you hit it on the dot. Those were my thoughts as well. Being raised catholic, we were taught that it was through faith AND through good works that we gained salvation. I wouldn't say it's anti-biblical, though. Good deeds done by Catholics is a practice done to emulate the good that Jesus did and by doing so is spreading the goodness of God through action. A life of service was seen as a noble thing to do. I agree with this still, even though I'm not Catholic. To do good things to benefit the less fortunate or to benefit more people than yourself is always a good thing, whether you're religious or not. I don't think many people would argue about whether helping the homeless is a good thing or not. Catholics may emphasize it, but works are not the main factor in terms of finding salvation -- BUT it is the defining factor that differentiates Protestant from Catholic in terms of practice. HOWEVER I'm not rejecting the christian pursuit and value it as well. To have faith in something is a great thing, and to base the belief that faith will lead to salvation is itself a noble pursuit aswell.
Originally posted by Inactive UserAnother big difference, as you mentioned, are the texts. Both are called the Bible and are taken from the same source, or at least similar sources, but interperetation is different. As well as additional texts. Catholicism of the modern day has been defined by various theologic philosophers and thinkers throughout the ages who have shaped the religion into what it is through their views on faith and God. an example of this would be Dante's "The Divine Comedy", where the modern day concept of Hell is based. I could also discuss, the saints; Acquinas, Francis of assisi, but then I'd be going on and on and on
Originally posted by Inactive UserI could go on and on but I'm not a big fan of the concept of a Pope either. I especially have criticisms of the current one. The previous, Pope John Paul II was an intensely wise and loving man in my eyes, though. Had he not been the pope he would probably still affect global change in some way. He never let his title make his head swell, unlike Ratzinger.
Originally posted by Inactive UserI just think your convictions in your faith are strong. You had no intention of bashing catholicism, but I feel as if you misunderstand Catholics. They're good people with strong faith... I just personally don't agree with the faith which is why I'm no longer catholic, lol.
Good works should be a natural outgrowth of your faith, not an attempt to get on GOD's good side.
Pope=not deity=fallible and so his OPINION should not be put on the same level as scripture.
Dante's divine comedy is fabricated out of speculation and is not found in scripture. Some dudes were on point. The ones who were came from a time before statue worship and/or had a lot of problems with the condition of the catholic church. This is why we eventually had the reformation.
Definitely. I like this view. Good works should be residual of the faith you have placed. I like how this was articulated.
And that was the point I was trying to make as well. SO again, no argument here. How can a human man be considered infallible? Makes no sense to me.
In addition to the bible, a lot of catholic tradition is based on philosophy developped in the middle ages. Scripture alone doesn't define Catholicism, but I've also always seen that as a strange and indeed nonsensical thing. I mean, I was taught to not be tempted by pagan religions who would lead me away from God, but the traditions found in Catholiciam can be traced back to pagan religions. It all just seems hypocritical to me.
Anyways, I was never really trying to argue with you. I just wanted, as stated before, to get a christian perspective on things and as a result I thought it'd be interesting to post up some things from the Catholic perspective and see how they differed. Thanks for tolerating my playing Devil's Advocate so to speak.
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Originally posted by Inactive UserI don't know how I got there, but I was eating dinner with a family. The father is pretty big, overweight, with a shaved head and a mustache, his wife has wild curly hair, and the daughter has similar hair except a little longer. Never seen any of these people before, at least I think I haven't. I'm in this room, a pretty big one. One corner of the room has a large, really intricately detailed rug, on which the chairs and dining table is set up on. It was so vivid, I remember looking down at it many times, and over on the other side of the room is a sort of kitchen, all in stainless steel. The rest of the floor is bare concrete, and the walls are concrete as well, and there are a few windows, but they're boarded up. All the way on the opposite corner of the room there's this huge wooden door, and I could almost feel the weight of it in my dream.
We're eating this dinner, and it's only meat. Just large steaks of some kind, and they're all undercooked, bloody even. No one is saying anything, just eating. Suddenly, the room gets icy cold. I remember just feeling like I would never be warm again, shivering uncontrollably, but I didn't want to say anything. Then the lights went out, everything is completely dark, I can't see anything. I'm sitting at the table, trying to sit still, but still shuddering, and I hear sounds of growling and whining dogs, and their nails clicking across the concrete. I remember not breathing.
I don't really remember what happened next, but the lights came back on, and I could see the man over in the kitchen or whatever it was, but I couldn't see what he was doing. I leaned over and could see in the corner. There were 3 dogs hanging by their hind legs, from chains, all whining and barking, trying to get loose. The man just takes one down, and pins it's neck on the counter, and starts skinning it alive. It's screaming, and yelping, and thrashing on the table, and i remember seeing it bite through its lips, and all its teeth were exposed and bloody, chipped from trying to snap at the man. The man unpins the dogs neck, but it's skinned all the way up to the shoulder blades, the skin pulled up over its head. The dog lets out a few sort of muffled ragged barks, and trys to stand up, but thumps back down on the counter every time it slips on its own blood.
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what is your view on agnosticism?