your arguments are quickly denied because you are of chritian background
What, pray tell, is this even supposed to mean?
How is this a contradictory? Contradict means to cross paths meanings? Where did I do so.
Christian family fostering Christian kid because of brainwashing
Christian family( Christianity makes up 87% or religions in America) with kid that sees how fake the Bible and its teachings are and becomes an atheist.
How is this a contradiction? It is not.
Also please do not try to back up your responses with texts from the Bible. The Bible is what we are refuting. With my stance and plenty of others, it's like having a debate and making up answers to us. We don't believe the words of the Bible is true, so it holds no validity whatsoever.
both sound equally ridiculous to me. if someone created it then how the fuck were they themselves created? oh yea they just "were." same shit. who cares.
btw, just curious. how old are the regular posters in this thread? i for one am 19.
could there have been gases that when combined formed solid matter?
if thats the case, then the creation of the universe as we know it can be easily explained
does god have the power to kill himself?
but to cheep. i think at that point, you are no longer talking about a god. you beleive that there was a creator. that's cool. i can see why one might beleive that, there is not much known about the origins of the universe. but you beleive that he plays no part in your day to day life? do you beleive in an afterlife?
Let me twist this back at you. What if you're wrong? What if there is no GOD or religion? And poof, you're just done after death? I don't know about you but the human life beats any form of spiritual life anyday. That would mean you wasted your life and energy believing in something that is false.Unless you believe in reincarnation. Sitting in church for hours listening to a preacher and then dying.
To all the bible thumpers out there do you go to church
Mat 6:5 and 6:6
" And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
This makes anybody who goes to church a hypocrite.
thanks to my ***** no0 for the quote
Open question to christians about their god, Can he create something so heavy even he cant lift it?
If I was angry, I would have bolded it. I CAPS the following so it'll be what stood out in my response. and I meant to say atheist thread. The thread was created by an atheist. So you're stating that since your dad was a merchant marine, he visited 95% of countries in the world? I highly doubt that, first of all, going to ports doesn't designate you apart of that culture. There is no integration whatsoever. That's like saying I went to the airport and Buenos Aires, so I've been to Argentina. Wrong.
then why did you ned him to clarify? it was obvious that's what he was saying. anyway just trying to help.
because i find it interesting that people feel the need to beleive in a higher being to have created the universe, without having any idea where that being came from. it seems that if you have the view that there is no sentient god guiding our lives, you would also be skeptical about a creator.
not exactly. i dont think of "god" as a being. more a force. i dont think there was a conscious thought that went into creating the universe.
so where did your god come from?
I think that, in the Western World, we are seeing a very large gap in education, which will continue to widen as science, psychology, and the Technocrats increase their power. The gap I am talking about is a proper education in Theology and Philosophy, especially in the secondary school years (13-1. What I am observing is a thought common in the society of an educated, intellectual person being an "Atheist," knowing Darwin's theory, psychology, etc etc. Meanwhile a "Theist," and especially "Christians" in the U.S. and Europe are thought of as brainwashed, irrational for belief in something unproven, not as educated, close minded etc etc. I will definitely point out that many Christians are these things, however that point does not distract me from the fact that many of the Atheist's beliefs and practices are no better than those long held by Christians, Jews, Muslims etc. The Philosopher Wittgenstein, in the early 20th century, said that today we view Science and Psychology just as the Greeks viewed Myth and Legend. But, for a Logistician such as Wittgenstein, this is illogical, since for him, and other mathematicians in the same mind such as Husserl, and of course Russell, there was no logical foundation for arithmetics and therefore mathematics, and led to Heidegger and others to question the foundation of Science and Psychology as well. What I mean by this is some of the questions surrounding God which the Atheist may view as easy pickings against a Christian, are the same questions which could be aimed at a Darwinist Atheist. The first thing to point out in resolving this matter is that Religion and Science are answering two different types of questions, and it is therefore not fair for an Atheist to try and use a Scientific explanation for the beginning of the Universe as contradiction to say: Genesis. Likewise, it is illogical to use a Psychological argument against the existence of a Soul or Morality, ethics, or justice. Therefore I think that the point the Atheists brings up often, that belief in God is unproven, or irrational etc, is in itself illogical, since many of the Atheists belief which lead him to this proposition have an unproven foundation themselves. Faith is key here, for a True Believer the question which an Atheist may rise against him, are not questions for him at all, those questions may not have been answered, or he may have given himself questions for those answers. The trouble which appears is when this Believer thinks he can get others to understand his answers or answer an Atheists question such as "prove God exists" etc. This is illogical, a person's faith should be there own, and this is something which should be understood by Christians as well as Atheists. Of course I find it troublesome that the teaching of atheistic works, such as the Origin of Species by Darwin is almost mandatory, while the great works of some Christian theologians, scientists, and philosophers are hardly even known to the general person any longer. There is much more readership in Christianity beyond merely the Bible, there is the two biggest names, Augustine and Aquinas, two names I think should be mandatory in a European Christian dominant world. But these names are barely spoken, and I think that the young intellectual, thrust into the world without knowledge of great theological and philosophical works, and only being confronted by atheistic material and theories such as the Big Bang, evolution, relativity etc, can very easily fall into the plague that is atheism. In my mind, this education is no better than the ignorant Christian brainwashing their child into an illusory faith. I think we must remember that some of the greatest minds in history, people who knew far more than we as individuals do, still were Christians, and proud to be. It is not very logical, in my mind, to simply dismiss an ideology that has persisted now for over 2,000 years. On that note I would like to suggest a book, The Gospels in Brief by Leo Tolstoy, who many consider to be one of the greatest writers of all time. Wittgenstein credited this book to keeping him alive while fighting in World War One, although, he was Jewish.
(note: I'm not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim)
asking someone to prove something is not illogical.
It is if their reasoning behind the question has no logical basis. For example in Christianity God is defined by Transcendental principles, these being Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent.
Transcendent, in itself, means:
"1 a: exceeding usual limits : surpassing b: extending or lying beyond the limits of ordinary experience"
So, to ask a Christian to "prove" something that is inherently defined as Transcendental, is a tautology (illogical).
Why? Well simply because our language, logically, is limited to our world, therefore to describe something which is defined as "beyond our world" in say, English, is senseless.
hmmmm... i completely disagree, but this is a battle of opinion, so there is no way to win. but yeah, that's not what a tautology is, just FYI.
but yeah, it raises the point that in religion, particularly religions founded on the judeo-christian god, anytime there is a question that cannot be explained by reason, the answer is "god." no further exploration or questioning. this is intellectually immature.