Evolution vs religion

March 16, 2007 @ 03:37 PM
darkmatter

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i myself have been an athiest all of my life..i do not believe in a god or devil,heaven or hell,or the 1000+ religions..the way i look at it"man made god,not god made man"..i see religion as a good thing because it gives people spirituality,strength,hope,ect..but that doesnt mean that its fact..although humans cannot give 100% positive facts about the creation of everything(universe,earth,homosapien,ect) i think they have supplied us with enough information to rule out any creation from a SUPREME BEING..

look at the time period that the bible was written,the education level of the people that made entrys would be labeled mentally retarded if we could teleport them to this time period..i see it as they made up elaborate stories to explain what they couldnt..

i personally can not believe that something no one has ever seen can,make a universe(if you can understand time than you know what im talking about),or control what every person on earth is doing at one time(6 billion+ -)..

I DID NOT MAKE THIS THREAD TO OFFEND ANYONE OR PERSUADE..JUST TO HAVE A TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION AND DEBATE....
March 16, 2007 @ 03:41 PM
darkmatter

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oh yeah i think when you die you die..thats it..just like every other animal on earth(humans are mammals)..no elaborate place where everything is perfect...
March 16, 2007 @ 03:44 PM
Sinatra

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In before the flamefest.

These threads never turn out well.

But, I am an athiest.
March 16, 2007 @ 03:46 PM
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...Well, I can agree on your point of view about religion and such, but if you say people just "made" up entrys in the bible, than you believe Jesus was never born and that event never happened?

Plus, seems your whole prespective about religion is based on Christianity since you mentioned Hell and Heaven/God and Devil. Then you say there is 1000+ religions, basically un-true. There are many branches or really different opinions about Christianity(since it is like the only religion with a lot of different branches) such as Caltholics, Protestants, Baptist, Jews, and etc, but basically they believe in almost the same exact things.

You are also leaving out other world religions/beliefs/ways of life such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Taosim, and etc.
March 16, 2007 @ 03:48 PM
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I don't believe in a higher power, no.
March 16, 2007 @ 03:50 PM
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I perosnally feel that people with religion feel that they are better than other people because they have " Faith" but most people with faith are usually the biggest hypocrites.

In terms of heaven and hell.... there is no one to say it really exist, just stories about waht we think it's going to be. I am a man of Science and need something based in fact, than old wives tales.
March 16, 2007 @ 03:52 PM
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im an agnostic so im on ur side, but darkmatter, ur argument kinda sucks. No thepeople of biblical times were not mentally retarded in fact they came up with some of the math, physics, and other knowledge bases that are the basis for modern science and they were just as smart as people today. They merely lacked the enormous knowledge base of modern humans. And the bible isnt the only "theory" or document that discusses a supreme being so it isn't the beginning and end regarding the existence of a supreme being, it's merely one large document among MANY that discuss god. And also, those that believe in god (i doubt his existenc just as u do, mind u) will equally counter ur argument regarding ur disbelief in a being able to control the universe with the simple argument that god is an allpowerful being, he is GOD, so he has countless abilities, including as omniscience and omnipotence, that humans cannot even hope to understand, fathom, or even concieve of. He is not human by any means. And by the way people have never "seen" many things that exist at certain times (i.e. gravity cannot physically be seen but it can be measured in modern times); just a few hundred years ago b4 gravity was properly discovered, analyzed, and measured there was no real knowledge of it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
March 16, 2007 @ 03:52 PM

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+ 1 on evolution.

But really no point in discussing when it'll just become kids yelling at eachother.
March 16, 2007 @ 03:55 PM
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Is it just me or is Al gore, the modern noah ??


Off topic but important none the less
March 16, 2007 @ 04:24 PM
RUBYRHODSOHIP

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Oh...This a good topic/discussion I think....And yeah, the Bible mentions almost nothing about the Eastern side of the World(China, Japan, India, Mongolia,Tibet, Southeast asia or Thailand, Burma, Loas, Sri Lanka) which puzzles me(LOL)...By the Bible, the Eastern World is not even in existence.



Adam and Eve story I truely do not believe.>sad
March 16, 2007 @ 04:27 PM

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look at the time period that the bible was written,the education level of the people that made entrys would be labeled mentally retarded if we could teleport them to this time period..i see it as they made up elaborate stories to explain what they couldnt..


That's just stupid.


I don't label myself as athiest or whatever, but no I don't believe in a higher power. I'm not a fan of organized religion at all, all wars are caused by religion if you look deep enough.

I also think that the bible was just used as a scapegoat to explain things that they didn;t understand at the time, but as science continues to advance, there will be less and less for the bible to try to explain, and hopefully people will come to their senses.

I believe more in evolution that creationism ( which is what I assume you meant by religion? ), but when you think about it they're both faith-based, making evolutionary theory a type of religion in itself.
March 16, 2007 @ 04:40 PM
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^^ can you connect that with the war in Iraq??

and there is more substance to Evolution. No one is really making it a religion in itself. They are saying that you can not discredit science, when creationism is based on nothing really.
March 16, 2007 @ 04:41 PM
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--yeah i fucked up by wording it like that..i was just trying to give a visual of the education back then compared to now..

--nah i didnt mean they just "made" stories out of thin air..i meant they added and elaborated..take for instance YES i do believe that there was a JESUS but,i think he was more like GHANDI than a miracle maker....(walking on water,healings,ect)
March 16, 2007 @ 04:51 PM
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SO you are saying Jesus was more of a leader than a miracle healer?
I can dig that, but then if he was just a leader, what makes him so special compared to other leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr or the present Dali Lama?
Justify please.
I mean, he had to be able to heal people or something to be given a name like God's Son, even Buddha who's popularity almost matches Jesus on the other half of the world didn't heal people nor was he given such a honorable name.
March 16, 2007 @ 04:56 PM
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Evolution just has so much evidence for it.

while religion is based on faith, those in charge dont even follow

in science, the term "Theory" is different from how we use it every day, to us, a theory is "i have a theory that your boyfriend is cheating, because he doesnt pick up the phone" while in science a "theory" is held up by many many proven facts,


me, agnostic.
March 16, 2007 @ 04:59 PM
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i hate seeing threads like this on hypebeast.
March 16, 2007 @ 05:01 PM
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I'm not a fan of organized religion at all, all wars are caused by religion if you look deep enough.



Can you prove that for me. Give me two solid cases and ill leave it be.
March 16, 2007 @ 05:03 PM

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Evolution just has so much evidence for it.

while religion is based on faith, those in charge dont even follow

in science, the term "Theory" is different from how we use it every day, to us, a theory is "i have a theory that your boyfriend is cheating, because he doesnt pick up the phone" while in science a "theory" is held up by many many proven facts,


me, agnostic.



Keep in mind though that evolution is also based on faith. Anytime you believe something without knowing it as a proven fact, you're relying on faith.

but I agree with grillz, I hate discussing religion because I always have more and more to say and I end up getting angry, so I'm leaving this thread now.
March 16, 2007 @ 05:04 PM
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I can give one the crusades.
March 16, 2007 @ 05:06 PM
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Keep in mind though that evolution is also based on faith. Anytime you believe something without knowing it as a proven fact, you're relying on faith.

but I agree with grillz, I hate discussing religion because I always have more and more to say and I end up getting angry, so I'm leaving this thread now.



Please come back we will keep this as civil as possible

There is no faith in Evolution its fact it can be proven, theres tons of documentation, in science that proves it.

All creationism has is a chapter in a really big book of stories.
March 16, 2007 @ 05:12 PM

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Can you prove that for me. Give me two solid cases and ill leave it be.


Crusades, French Religious Wars ( www.lepg.org/wars.htm )


I may have worded that wrong, religion may not be the reason the war was started, but it is usually in the background, either being used to influence people to fight or causing tension between two cultures with opposing beliefs (both of whom believe their right) until they begin fighting. Terrorism is also a religious thing, which would imply your "War on Terror" was religiously influenced.


Now i've given you a few examples of wars started over religion, can you give some examples of wars that weren't?
March 16, 2007 @ 05:15 PM

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Please come back we will keep this as civil as possible

There is no faith in Evolution its fact it can be proven, theres tons of documentation, in science that proves it.

All creationism has is a chapter in a really big book of stories.


Don't jump the gun here, Evolution is definitely not proven fact. It's based on facts but has many holes and missing pieces
March 16, 2007 @ 05:19 PM
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I believe that all species evolved independently, except humans who were divinely created by God.
March 16, 2007 @ 05:25 PM

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So does that mean Religion is bad? No, it just means that some people might make it look bad to you. Religion is meant to be a nice and happy thing so don't say that religion is bad. Also The Crusades were about land and Jerusalem....


I never once said religion was bad, I just believe that it cause a gross amount of problems in our society. I also believe that if religion were gone from the earth, humans would just find another reason to kill each other.
March 16, 2007 @ 05:36 PM
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Victorious Vic if your teacher says that god created evolution then it blows the creationism story out the water.

and hendriks your right Science does have holes that we can;t explain but it has more truth to it based off of research and pure science. You can notcontest that we evolved from prime-apes the evidence is overwhelming.
March 16, 2007 @ 05:38 PM
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my vote goes to evolution
science has hard evidence
to believe in creation is as solid as believing in the tooth fairy
March 16, 2007 @ 05:39 PM
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And hendriks WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Korea, Spanish American War, French American Wat, The American Revolution, and the Civil war just to name a few.
March 16, 2007 @ 05:40 PM
rga125

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my vote goes to evolution
science has hard evidence
to believe in creation is as solid as believing in the tooth fairy


P.s. the Tooth fairy does exist you heathan >sad
March 16, 2007 @ 05:40 PM

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You can notcontest that we evolved from prime-apes the evidence is overwhelming.


I never said I contested it it, in fact I said I agreed with it. I strongly believe in evolution, but I also know that it's not fully proven so I don't regard it as stone cold fact.
March 16, 2007 @ 05:42 PM
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SO you are saying Jesus was more of a leader than a miracle healer?
I can dig that, but then if he was just a leader, what makes him so special compared to other leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr or the present Dali Lama?
Justify please.
I mean, he had to be able to heal people or something to be given a name like God's Son, even Buddha who's popularity almost matches Jesus on the other half of the world didn't heal people nor was he given such a honorable name.


i think he is widely praised because of him being the first major figure and the content of what he stands for..also think about how long people have followed and been influenced by JESUS..also what hes influenced..over 2000 years...imo MARTIN LUTHER KING and THE DALI LAMA are just as important...but no one will ever be top JESUS..NEVER
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