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March 8, 2013 @ 03:25 AM
rabbitman

Post: 1521

Join Date: Mar 2012

Location: north america

If you guys think that expanding the State is gonna solve any of your problems come to the UK. We've had free health care for 60 odd years and yet we've got tens of thousands of people dying in hosptials, shit ain't good. 
there isn't necessarily a correlation between people dying in hospitals and free healthcare. did that percentage of people dying in hospitals occur all 60 years? what percentage of people who died in those hospitals used public healthcare vs private? compare those percentages with those of other countries?
France, Italy, Spain, and Austria all rank within the top 10 healthcare systems of the world and they all have public healthcare options. the US is the only first world country without universal coverage. your claim is a fallacy
That doesn't mean we should follow. "Everyone else is doin it so it must be good right?" Your claim is more of a fallacy.

we have a poor healthcare system. im saying that the top-ranked countries in healthcare have all based their systems around a public option and without that option, they would not be where they are today because they would have a different system. this a fact, not a fallacy. if every person who was good at sports practiced, would you not practice to get better "just because everyone else is doing it?" you're providing no information to go off of and merely opinion.

be careful what you pretend to be

March 8, 2013 @ 10:45 AM
Wavey_LenZ

Post: 392

Join Date: Mar 2011

Location: UK

Don't you think capitalism just in a whole betters society? Yes, it's not much of a social positive as compared to socialism.
Capitalism brings competition (regardless of it being fair or not), and competition will surely allow progress for technology, health, the economy, etc.
 

You know what, my dad sent me an email the other day about swedish doctors discovering the gene mutation that causes people to be diagnosed with type 1 diabetes ( which I have) and it said they were in clinical trials and all that, and i thought, that doesn't matter because all of the pharmaceutical companies are making billions off of supplies, insulin pumps, etc. I'm currently about to receive an insulin pump and they retail at around $6,000 for something as big as a small cell phone. If you think about how much money theyre making off of those pumps alone, you know they won't be handing out or funding actual research that will bring a cure.. Same goes for cancer and other diseases.. it's pathetic and ridiculous.

Edit: not exactly related but just a point.
deactivate I agree that capitalism has brought forward society massively in a tiny amount of time. But the main improvements that the working class have seen have not been bestowed upon us by the rich because they "love" us but because the working class has fought for them or that the rich battle each other to make even more money. So innovation is not about bettering everyone but a prerequisite of the ruling class to one up each other in the race for profit. This is shown in w33zys point, the fact that companies don't co-operate with each other and when one company does try to use something another company has already innovated they don't go "yeah man you can use that, it will greatly benefit everyone" they sue them in some cases for billions of dollars.
March 8, 2013 @ 07:49 PM
thesupergoodlife

Post: 188

Join Date: Aug 2012

If you guys think that expanding the State is gonna solve any of your problems come to the UK. We've had free health care for 60 odd years and yet we've got tens of thousands of people dying in hosptials, shit ain't good. 
there isn't necessarily a correlation between people dying in hospitals and free healthcare. did that percentage of people dying in hospitals occur all 60 years? what percentage of people who died in those hospitals used public healthcare vs private? compare those percentages with those of other countries?
France, Italy, Spain, and Austria all rank within the top 10 healthcare systems of the world and they all have public healthcare options. the US is the only first world country without universal coverage. your claim is a fallacy
It's at only a hand full of hospitais, shocking level of neglect as those responsible in the NHS (out free health service) aren't held to account. Those that died are all from the public health service. Personally I think both public and private systems have their flaws. 
March 9, 2013 @ 03:36 AM
CHOPZZBISCUIT

Post: 4359

Join Date: Jan 2010

Location: KALI4NIA

I BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE NO LONGER LIVING IN THE WORLD OF "DEMOCRACY."

BUT RATHER, WE'RE LIVING IN THE ERA OF "CORPORATOCRACY" [CORPORATIONS CONTROLLING THE GOVERNMENT VIA LOBBY AND FUNDING THEIR ELECTIONS THEN SHAPE THE LAWS AND ACTS IN THEIR FAVOR]



THOSE PEOPLE JUST GET RICHER AND RICHER. I have no problem with them being rich motherfuckers. But they're not even spending it or stimulating the economy.

In contrast to the popular belief pumped by the mainstream media, THE WEALTH WILL TRICKLE DOWN as they call it "TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT"
.

Kayv: pull bitches, not triggers. throw parties, not fists. futurebass : my mom said life is like a box of kimchi. chopzz.tumblr.com

March 9, 2013 @ 05:14 PM
Specification

Post: 952

Join Date: Nov 2011

Location: California

Chopzz.

What do you do for a living?

Why do I get the feeling you are an art, communications, history, english, or pshychology major?
March 9, 2013 @ 06:55 PM
Soul Rize

Post: 2039

Join Date: Dec 2010

Location: Houston

But i do agree the rich be to rich but also our generation spends way to much money and don't even save seriously. Were know to have the lowest saving rate of any developed country  and the american dream is only taken advantage by people who come to this country for it creating businesses and such . Our generation goes for jobs and blows money . can't complain about not being rich if you money goes into your hand out out to another.

Cmon get down with a real nigga wussup

March 9, 2013 @ 07:17 PM
Pantic

Post: 3623

Join Date: Jan 2010

Location: cold north

But i do agree the rich be to rich but also our generation spends way to much money and don't even save seriously. Were know to have the lowest saving rate of any developed country  and the american dream is only taken advantage by people who come to this country for it creating businesses and such . Our generation goes for jobs and blows money . can't complain about not being rich if you money goes into your hand out out to another.
Blowing money is extremely vital to get the economy back on track. Lots of countries have gotten through the recession alot worse than they had potential to because people think "oh crisis, better hoard money and never spend"
March 10, 2013 @ 05:04 AM
thrillmatic

Post: 747

Join Date: Nov 2011

Y'all can debate. In the meantime, my black ass finna study and make that bank.

Med school lifestyle, might don't make it.

"Rap in 2012 is basically just a mad dash for people of EVERY human subset to be represented by a rapper." - damnwitless1

March 10, 2013 @ 05:56 AM
johnathan

Post: 2954

Join Date: May 2009

Location: lol

Fuck Chopzz Movement 

free max b 2013

March 10, 2013 @ 07:15 AM
tmwtg

Post: 3096

Join Date: Jun 2009

Y'all can debate. In the meantime, my black ass finna study and make that bank.

Med school lifestyle, might don't make it.
Go get yours, for sure. &) &)

The only one starting these types of topics is Chopzz, who probably jumped on the conspiracy theory movement just recently.
March 10, 2013 @ 08:09 AM
CHOPZZBISCUIT

Post: 4359

Join Date: Jan 2010

Location: KALI4NIA

Y'all can debate. In the meantime, my black ass finna study and make that bank.

Med school lifestyle, might don't make it.
Go get yours, for sure. &) &)

The only one starting these types of topics is Chopzz, who probably jumped on the conspiracy theory movement just recently.
just recently now eh? u know so much about me.

"OH HE MUST BE THIS SO THAT EXPLAINS WHY HE BELIEVES THE WAY HE DOES" WHAT A FUCKIN BOLLOCKS 

idk y some of yall trying to diss other members... stick to the topic or move on plz. 

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Kayv: pull bitches, not triggers. throw parties, not fists. futurebass : my mom said life is like a box of kimchi. chopzz.tumblr.com

March 10, 2013 @ 02:09 PM
Pantic

Post: 3623

Join Date: Jan 2010

Location: cold north

It's called capitalism breh. if you want to live in a society where everyone is equal, go to china-- you won't like it. 
Man inequality of wealth is way worse in China than in America. 
March 10, 2013 @ 02:17 PM
(G)TRAP

suspended

Post: 3666

Join Date: Jun 2008

Everyone in America has an opportunity to be rich honestly.  American Dream is basically just equal opportunity by another name
yeah thats why you fapping all day on your macbook and lurking hb
March 10, 2013 @ 06:52 PM
Specification

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Location: California

Chopzz, answer the questions please.

What do you do for a living?
What is/was your major?
March 10, 2013 @ 07:33 PM
King Louis XIV

Post: 285

Join Date: Dec 2012

It's called capitalism breh. if you want to live in a society where everyone is equal, go to china-- you won't like it. 

You, my sir, are a fucking idiot.

It is legal because I wish it.

March 11, 2013 @ 05:57 AM
CHOPZZBISCUIT

Post: 4359

Join Date: Jan 2010

Location: KALI4NIA

Chopzz, answer the questions please.

What do you do for a living?
What is/was your major?
I'm a professional dancer so obviously I was majoring in dancing.

My specialty is twerking and a pole dance. 

Whats your major/job?

Kayv: pull bitches, not triggers. throw parties, not fists. futurebass : my mom said life is like a box of kimchi. chopzz.tumblr.com

March 11, 2013 @ 05:59 AM
CHOPZZBISCUIT

Post: 4359

Join Date: Jan 2010

Location: KALI4NIA

Chopzz, answer the questions please.

What do you do for a living?
What is/was your major?
I'm a professional dancer so obviously I was majoring in dancing.

My specialty are twerking and a pole dance. 

Whats your major/job?

Kayv: pull bitches, not triggers. throw parties, not fists. futurebass : my mom said life is like a box of kimchi. chopzz.tumblr.com

March 11, 2013 @ 06:06 AM
Wash Pahpin

Post: 500

Join Date: Nov 2006

Location: NYC/Philly

I want stacks man fuck 

washpahpin.com

March 11, 2013 @ 06:16 AM
Specification

Post: 952

Join Date: Nov 2011

Location: California

Chopzz, answer the questions please.

What do you do for a living?
What is/was your major?
I'm a professional dancer so obviously I was majoring in dancing.

My specialty is twerking and a pole dance. 

Whats your major/job?
Can't tell if serious. Are you really a dance major?

But my point is, it's hard to take all your conspiracies and all your whining seriously if you are some art major.

I NEVER see any engineering, business, and medical majors complain about the inequality of wealth, because those majors actually make decent money. If you majored in something useless, such as art or english, of course you won't make any money, because there is no demand for them.

I don't know what you do in real life, but you just seem like someone who complains a lot instead of fixing the problem. IE: art majors
March 11, 2013 @ 06:36 AM
backlikethat

Post: 5231

Join Date: Feb 2009

Chopzz, answer the questions please.

What do you do for a living?
What is/was your major?
I'm a professional dancer so obviously I was majoring in dancing.

My specialty is twerking and a pole dance. 

Whats your major/job?
Can't tell if serious. Are you really a dance major?

But my point is, it's hard to take all your conspiracies and all your whining seriously if you are some art major.

I NEVER see any engineering, business, and medical majors complain about the inequality of wealth, because those majors actually make decent money. If you majored in something useless, such as art or english, of course you won't make any money, because there is no demand for them.

I don't know what you do in real life, but you just seem like someone who complains a lot instead of fixing the problem. IE: art majors

You're missing the point. Because:

1. You're acting as if everyone has the same opportunity to afford education, etc. Not everyone can go straight to college for many reasons.

2. We're not talking about which majors can get a better job. We're talking about the corruption of our Democracy where business and corporations buy our senators and congressmen. Where the People no longer have a voice but rather $$ does.

3. Even engineers are making shit money compared to businessmen. We're not talking about how much you/someone makes. We're talking about how unequal America's distribution of wealth is. What an engineer makes is about 2% to what these business and corporations make. They're eating off of these workers labor.
Workers can no longer enjoy the fruits of their own labor because of these business and corporations.

Get it?
March 11, 2013 @ 09:04 AM
CHOPZZBISCUIT

Post: 4359

Join Date: Jan 2010

Location: KALI4NIA

^ I couldnt agree with Trill anymore. he's right on the money. [no pun intended]

lol at even discussing majors tho... wtf.

Also let's not forget that this trend of inequality will eventually affect your kids and your grand kids. The democracy is a funny system cuz once the rights are stripped off, it's hard to regain them back.

This country is currently ran by the corporations and bankers who hire lobbyists to control these politicians with the enormous power to manipulate the system in their own favors. Not their workers, not their nations, nor their own society.

Such example is Dick Cheney working for the Haliburton, the company that's reconstructing Iraq after we bombed the shit out of it or how the Obama administration chooses the former president of Monsanto to be the head of FDA.

If those facts don't add up in your head then i honestly dont know what will....

They're just leaving behind their cookie crumbs for us to fight for it and they use mainstream media outlets which are actually owned by few corporations to manipulate the middle class hate on the lower class.

Divide + Distract + Deceive = Conquer the minds of people.

Kayv: pull bitches, not triggers. throw parties, not fists. futurebass : my mom said life is like a box of kimchi. chopzz.tumblr.com

March 11, 2013 @ 01:06 PM
tmwtg

Post: 3096

Join Date: Jun 2009

So what exactly do you suggest we do about it?

The system will always be there, a constant in this world. We're all just trying to survive, so do what you want, try to make some money, and enjoy your life.

I agree; I don't like having a self-defeatist mentality. But in this instance, it seems like a much better alternative.

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