Question for Atheists...

October 14, 2012 @ 02:36:57
im beyond religion. i believe in a higher power. i also believe that we have the potential to be greater beings in life. the third eye and elevating our consciousness to a higher level. we are the universe.

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October 14, 2012 @ 04:47:39
I'd like to think that when you die you just dream. so whatever you're thinking of when you die becomes your reality. when I die ima be thinking about being god smokeyface
October 14, 2012 @ 12:47:53
Not really afraid of death, I just wanna outlive my mom. Nothing worse than a mother burying her son smh
October 14, 2012 @ 18:14:16
mother fuckers need to stop kissing the feet of ancient white liars who wrote a novel to control your minds.. free your soul to nature


Mohammed was white? LOL at nigs acting like Christianity was the only religion....and LOL again at thinking that a bunch of cats from the middle east are "white."


Arabs are Caucasian.
October 14, 2012 @ 19:19:08
I'd like to think that when you die you just dream. so whatever you're thinking of when you die becomes your reality. when I die ima be thinking about being god smokeyface


word. like a lucid state. idk how thatd be in any way plausible but it would be the dopest afterlife i could think of

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October 14, 2012 @ 20:20:07
Originally posted by Inactive User
Where did our moral laws come from? God?


Being human and sympathy.


Where does sympathy come from? Intelligence, feelings, souls?
Can these be explained with the big bang and evolution?
Wouldn't evolution, survival of the fittest, dog eat dog make us more selfish?
John Locke's theory of the Social Contract my nigga. For humans, survival of the fittest isn't the same as it is for animals; the strongest/fastest/largest/etc. don't necessarily have the greatest chances of survival. It's the smartest that do; human value is weighed much more on intellect rather than brawn. Our leaders are the ones who know how to organize with others in order to benefit the greater good, not the people who are physically the strongest of the pack. Through the Social Contract, humans mutually agree to give up some of their freedom in order compensate for security and safety among one another.

God has no direct influence on our morals. I'm atheist, it doesn't mean I don't give a damn about anyone around me just because there's no higher power up there to judge me.
October 14, 2012 @ 23:24:21
Originally posted by Inactive User
Where did our moral laws come from? God?


Being human and sympathy.


Where does sympathy come from? Intelligence, feelings, souls?
Can these be explained with the big bang and evolution?
Wouldn't evolution, survival of the fittest, dog eat dog make us more selfish?


I'm no expert so you might find flaws in what I'm about to say, but...

I believe it comes from intelligence; when you come to a point when you're mature enough to realize that what you're doing is hurting others that's when you develop morals. Have you noticed kids do evil thing to other kids just because they're ignorant of their actions?

I don't think survival of the fittest applies to human how they do to other animals because we are at the top of the food chain and we don't have to hunt each other and kill each other to live. Now when applied to humans it changes to the smartest will survive and that doesn't take away from out morals.

John Locke's theory of the Social Contract my nigga. For humans, survival of the fittest isn't the same as it is for animals; the strongest/fastest/largest/etc. don't necessarily have the greatest chances of survival. It's the smartest that do; human value is weighed much more on intellect rather than brawn. Our leaders are the ones who know how to organize with others in order to benefit the greater good, not the people who are physically the strongest of the pack. Through the Social Contract, humans mutually agree to give up some of their freedom in order compensate for security and safety among one another.

God has no direct influence on our morals. I'm atheist, it doesn't mean I don't give a damn about anyone around me just because there's no higher power up there to judge me.
October 15, 2012 @ 00:15:50
that doesnt quite explain how intelligence breeds moral, can we see this moral from a human thats lived in forests and jungles for their whole life? because theres still cannibal tribes out there.. a human with "no understanding" it seems.. furthermore they worship some form of god in their own way because its just natural for a human to do so, no matter what continent, natives naturally believe in some god.. anyways thats getting away from the point

my question: if evolution and natural selection is all about adapting, how come it didnt happen on the other planets within our solar system? couldnt a cell evolve into something that could just live off the planet's environment? whether it be some sort of plant or animal, surely something could evolve to adapt to the environment to make a greater environment, so many different animals here with crazy abilities yet theres nothing else out there, and why could it only work on earth and not other planets?

secondly, how did the structure of evolution come about, what made its push for natural selection? where did this "blue print" of natural selection come from? how did different cells know how to react with other cells if after all were a result from a RANDOM bang?
October 15, 2012 @ 00:17:15
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October 15, 2012 @ 00:17:26
Terrified. Just as scared as every one of us. Difference is, I don't latch on to a fairytale for some sort of blind sense of comfort. I simply don't let the fear of death stop me from living. If anything, knowing that this life is ALL we have, I value it that much more.
October 15, 2012 @ 00:41:12
mother fuckers need to stop kissing the feet of ancient white liars who wrote a novel to control your minds.. free your soul to nature


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October 15, 2012 @ 02:07:45
that doesnt quite explain how intelligence breeds moral, can we see this moral from a human thats lived in forests and jungles for their whole life? because theres still cannibal tribes out there.. a human with "no understanding" it seems.. furthermore they worship some form of god in their own way because its just natural for a human to do so, no matter what continent, natives naturally believe in some god.. anyways thats getting away from the point


In those same tribes they do have morals they probably don't live up to ours because like I said, and no offense, those tribes survive as animals. And the reason people believed in a higher power is because they needed a reason to explain natural phenomenon like the sun rising or solar eclipse. We have science that can prove and show how these occurrences occur. Before we had scientist Greeks believed a giant man held up that Earth, but now that we have science that can disprove this we can refute it. Christians believed that God existed in the heavens in the clouds, but now that we've been passed the clouds they have to change where their heavens exist. The Bible has too many contradictions and science that disproves it.

P.s. Those Gods that the tribes believe in aren't an almighty deitety they belive in what they can see "Sun Gods and Animals Gods" so that makes their Gods more believable than yours.

my question: if evolution and natural selection is all about adapting, how come it didnt happen on the other planets within our solar system? couldnt a cell evolve into something that could just live off the planet's environment? whether it be some sort of plant or animal, surely something could evolve to adapt to the environment to make a greater environment, so many different animals here with crazy abilities yet theres nothing else out there, and why could it only work on earth and not other planets?


Because evolution is talking about EARTH it's a theory based on what we've seen on EARTH. That's like saying why haven't all black people move to Israel since the Nazi's drove the Jews from Germany. Two different things, two different continents. Two different things, two different planets.

secondly, how did the structure of evolution come about, what made its push for natural selection? where did this "blue print" of natural selection come from? how did different cells know how to react with other cells if after all were a result from a RANDOM bang?


They adapted. The same reason why people from colder places can walk around in 50 degree temperatures in a tank top and shorts and us people from Florida wear a jacket when it get's below 70. It's a bit of a stretch to compare that to adaptation of cells, but evolution has been proven. God, however, hasn't.

Have you ever seen how an animal is placed in a different ecosystem and the animal has to adapt to it's new surroundings and, eventually, the animals around it adapt to the new presence.

Now ask yourself this. If it wasn't for a Bible telling you want to do or you will be sent to hell how would you react to other people? Would you go around killing them or whatever? No? Because you have morals correct? Some of us rationally thinking people don't need a Bible to dictate our lives and to tell us what's right and wrong and if we go by the Bible stoning is legal and selling ones daughter is legal. Now tell me more about this biblical "morals" that have shaped us.
October 15, 2012 @ 05:14:21
Damn, we got some intelligent motherfuckers up in the HB forums smokeyface
Great explanation ^ up there, @yourfan. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Except for that last part about you knocking on the bible, haha. I'm an atheist, but I don't feel the need to push others out of their religions. For the most part, religions are healthy (excluding those who take the bible too fucking literally). If people need a set of guidelines from some higher order in order for them to live with good morals, then so be it.
October 15, 2012 @ 05:55:49
Damn, we got some intelligent motherfuckers up in the HB forums smokeyface
Great explanation ^ up there, @yourfan. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Except for that last part about you knocking on the bible, haha. I'm an atheist, but I don't feel the need to push others out of their religions. For the most part, religions are healthy (excluding those who take the bible too fucking literally). If people need a set of guidelines from some higher order in order for them to live with good morals, then so be it.


Yeah their are a bunch of pretty smart people here it's just, like me, unless it's a serious conversation we just troll around. Also, I'm not knocking the Bible because it has molded some GREAT people it's just the fact I dislike when someone can argue with facts and use the Bible as their primary weapon.
October 15, 2012 @ 13:24:27
Originally posted by Inactive User


In those same tribes they do have morals they probably don't live up to ours because like I said, and no offense, those tribes survive as animals. And the reason people believed in a higher power is because they needed a reason to explain natural phenomenon like the sun rising or solar eclipse. We have science that can prove and show how these occurrences occur. Before we had scientist Greeks believed a giant man held up that Earth, but now that we have science that can disprove this we can refute it. Christians believed that God existed in the heavens in the clouds, but now that we've been passed the clouds they have to change where their heavens exist. The Bible has too many contradictions and science that disproves it.

P.s. Those Gods that the tribes believe in aren't an almighty deitety they belive in what they can see "Sun Gods and Animals Gods" so that makes their Gods more believable than yours.


what you havnt explained is where morals came from, you have a very reasonable explanation on the psych behind the reason to explain greater phenomenon.. although you could say its been passed down by evolution but by continually passing down to the first organism or second evolved organism or third evolved organism, where did these organism get their morals from?

furthermore the Bible talks of 3 heavens, 2 physical (physical sky and space) and 1 spiritual (where the soul goes)
1st heaven is just our atmosphere, 2nd heaven is space or anything beyond our atmosphere,
Deuteronomy 10:14- "Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God,"
heaven referring to atmosphere and heaven of heaven which is anything beyond the atmosphere, outer space.

and the 3rd heaven is obviously spiritual heaven which theres no point explaining to you because you wont believe

Originally posted by Inactive User

Because evolution is talking about EARTH it's a theory based on what we've seen on EARTH. That's like saying why haven't all black people move to Israel since the Nazi's drove the Jews from Germany. Two different things, two different continents. Two different things, two different planets.


dont know if you understood my question because there is astronomy and physics that say theres evolutionary processes happening outside of EARTH. because surely an evolutionary cell could have adapted into space and what space has to offer (space dust or sunlight/photosynthesis) it let alone a cell that could develop and live in other planets of our solar system, e.g Tardigrades can live in crazy conditions, why dont we see similar organisms in space or other planets after all these billions of years? if a basic simple cell organism could evolve on earth then couldnt it also do it on mars?

Originally posted by Inactive User


once again im not sure if you understood my question, you just took the question marks and made them periods.

i know in evolution theres adaption/natural selection as stated in the original question. but you havnt explained where this process came from, the push and the agenda of natural selection.. that push or agenda, what was the basis of its origin, and in the example question; "how did first cells or particles know how to react with other cells or particles?" was not clearly explained.

furthermore i can tell you from a Bible view where and how morals came to be and which "rules" apply to different people (Jew, gentile and the church) in different time periods (dispensations) but that wouldnt mean anything to you just as much as this discussion amounts to anything.

in the end no one will change their beliefs. i do look forward to your response and will consider it but ceebs replying to a vain discussion
October 15, 2012 @ 14:43:44
this thread is funny because its based on a concept that does not originate from the bible, heaven and hell.
October 15, 2012 @ 15:07:14
If its quick....then cool. If its slow, I think i'd just be let down that I couldn't try another day, even if I wanted to.
October 15, 2012 @ 15:09:51
death is my incentive to make the best out of my life everyday
life wouldn't make sense without death. i can say this as an atheist.


i like that

gotta accept it as a part of life. be sure to make your life as fulfilling as you can before it is over
October 15, 2012 @ 17:21:20
meow

Get it how u live

October 15, 2012 @ 17:30:25
this thread is funny because its based on a concept that does not originate from the bible, heaven and hell.


i just meant death in general really

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October 15, 2012 @ 19:23:33
everything is a cycle in life

death is what you pay for being born.

its already like a .00000000000000000000000000000000001% chance that it was that was chosen to be born. billions of sperm racing plus what if your dad busted a nut before? or waited a couple days?

in reality death is just a cycle, you are born you die.

for religion, if it helps you go for it if not then don't.

how i view it, i believe in a heaven and there isn't one i'll be dissapointed as fuck

but if i don't believe in it and there is one its cool but if there isn't its cool also.

Be about it

October 15, 2012 @ 19:49:26
In the past year i watched just about everything i've known to believe in life as true crumble before my eyes. Being moral doesn't help you succeed, life is far from fair, and God is dead. My year has been pretty shitty

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October 15, 2012 @ 23:41:41
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I am pretty much answering your questions in a broad manner. What you're asking me to explain is square one and that is not explainable because WHO KNOWS. This is basic creationist arguments you ask for an answer, and then ask from where did that come from, and from where did that come from, until you can get to the first part which can't be explained. Let's use this same type of questioning on you know. Where did morals come from? The Bible? Where did the Bible come from? God? Where did God come from? Oh he's always been there? Yeah, no. That doesn't give anyone an answer.

The best answer on morals I can give is that over time they were created by humanity to address negative social issues that plagued the era they were formed in.

On the second part. It seems that you have some kind of warped mind and believe that we have vistited every alien planet. Sorry, we have barely scratched the surface and we haven't been on 90% of the planets we have discovered the closet we get is a picture from something billions of light years away that may have died out LOOOOONG ago. We don't 100% understand space and what's out there, but we are learning slowly, but surely. Don't assume we have knowledge of everything that's everywhere.

The last part. You're confusing yourself here. Darwin was the creator of both theories, but they don't apply to each other that simply. And like I said you're using basic Creationist argumentative tactics. I'm not a scientist I can't guide you through each step, but you can see WITH YOUR EYES animals adapting and evolving to better suit their needs

I was trying to just answer questions, but now let's throw a few back.

Who created God? I guess you don't know just like I don't know how cells adapted.

God created Adam and Eve who had 2 sons so I guess they fucked their mom to populate the Earth? K.

God created a giant flood to wipe the Earth clean of humans except 1 Noah. So I guess he asexually reproduced and repopulated the Earth. K.

If God is almighty why can't he get rid of a simple evil angel that's controlling his domain. Why can't he just kill the devil and BAM end sin all together? He can't? I guess the Devil is more powerful than God.

Or you can ignore all of that and answer one simple question. Prove God exist without a shadow of a doubt or even give me a little evidence that suggest any kind of deity exist. Also, you can't use science as proof of anything because it contradicts everything religion has ever taught you people.

Can't answer that either? Ok, so tell me what it says in your Bible to explain high tide and low tide, sun rise and sunset, months and years. Explain this without using science just use your Bible.
October 16, 2012 @ 00:37:24
Some of you guys are so poetic #notroll
October 16, 2012 @ 02:04:00
if anything i'm scared of how i'm gonna die, rather than death itself.
October 16, 2012 @ 03:31:39
lol i love how the crux of every single creationist's argument is bent on DISPROVING evolution rather than PROVING their own backwards ass beliefs. and no the bible isn't proof, it's a fucking fairy tale. anything the bible teaches can be accomplished through secular means. we as humans are social beings, we NEED one another to survive as a race, think about that and then think about where our morality derives from.
October 16, 2012 @ 04:31:48
The Bible and almost all religion is some good idea's that in there time, the things they were implying such as not killing, stealing, commiting incest, was radical thinking. They had these ideas but had no way to enforce them as ways of living. So what they did is harness the fear that prevails most in the world: the fear of not knowing. In this case it would be not knowing what happens after death and tell this to a whole bunch of people that are dirt poor and simply have yet to develope a very logical way of thinking that we have today and you have the start of religion. Science can and has disproved many things religion said to be true except for the one last barrier, the afterlife and that is simply because you can't die, do research, and then come back to life to share data.
October 16, 2012 @ 04:52:16
The Bible and almost all religion is some good idea's that in there time, the things they were implying such as not killing, stealing, commiting incest, was radical thinking. They had these ideas but had no way to enforce them as ways of living. So what they did is harness the fear that prevails most in the world: the fear of not knowing. In this case it would be not knowing what happens after death and tell this to a whole bunch of people that are dirt poor and simply have yet to develope a very logical way of thinking that we have today and you have the start of religion. Science can and has disproved many things religion said to be true except for the one last barrier, the afterlife and that is simply because you can't die, do research, and then come back to life to share data.


The Bible simply gave people something to believe in when they had nothing. The rich and powerful never needed anything to believe in so the Bible made them out as devils. Brainwashing the lower until it built a powerful enough force to "fight back" now this guy who made up a very cool story about magic people has set the world into a panic where people think that magic people are more believable than science. Want to know who else used this tactic? HITLER!

lol i love how the crux of every single creationist's argument is bent on DISPROVING evolution rather than PROVING their own backwards ass beliefs. and no the bible isn't proof, it's a fucking fairy tale. anything the bible teaches can be accomplished through secular means. we as humans are social beings, we NEED one another to survive as a race, think about that and then think about where our morality derives from.


100% Agree.
October 16, 2012 @ 05:26:03
I'm not afraid of dying because I'll be too busy rotting away in the dirt to care.
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