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October 10, 2011 @ 12:53 AM
trevxv3

Post: 1825

Join Date: May 2010

Location: SoCal

Ill happily share my tax dollars with a student working twice as hard as you bitchass kids on here....


You obviously don't know how terrible the education system in california is. A college down the road couldnt even offer summer classes because there isn't enough money, the high schools in my city have "furlow" days because it costs less money to close down school than it does to keep it running. We need to fix these problems first and you need to quit making assumptions you lil' fuckhead. Spending more money, that we don't have, on people who are here illegally just goes to show how fucked up sacramento is.

So quit speculating you bitch and get off your high horse, sit the fuck down

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October 10, 2011 @ 12:57 AM
AG_23

Post: 279

Join Date: Sep 2010

high horse? lol you fucking idiot. apparently you dont understand what a budget is seeing as you think we're spending more money on immigrants.
October 10, 2011 @ 01:13 AM
FORTE ASHLEY OLSEN

Post: 437

Join Date: Jan 2011

Illegal Immigrants aren't really the problem. They're an easy scapegoat ( visible, different from the culture at large,relatively powerless). It's easy to blame our problems on them, but even if we deported all the illegal immigrants tomorrow our economy would still be shit. Probably worse, actually.

We need to quit spending money on stupid wars and start making sure everyone pays their fair share of taxes.
October 10, 2011 @ 01:14 AM
AG_23

Post: 279

Join Date: Sep 2010

Illegal Immigrants aren’t really the problem. They’re an easy scapegoat ( visible, different from...


what? someone with logical thought? this cant be hypebeast.
October 10, 2011 @ 01:24 AM
trevxv3

Post: 1825

Join Date: May 2010

Location: SoCal

Illegal Immigrants aren’t really the problem. They’re an easy scapegoat ( visible, different from...


then have illegals pay taxes then, thats fair right? oh wait

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October 10, 2011 @ 01:25 AM
appleyard

Post: 612

Join Date: Feb 2009

how can you NOT get financial aid ? financial aid includes loans/grants/scholarships. they obviously aren't giving away full-ride scholarships to every illegal immigrant. they're just giving them the same opportunity as everyone else.. to fund their education.
October 10, 2011 @ 01:25 AM
FORTE ASHLEY OLSEN

Post: 437

Join Date: Jan 2011

^
at trevxv3
It should probably be noted that, just because the residency status of these students may be , they still continue to pay their own share of taxes by living in our society. They aren’t immune to retail, property, service or state taxes, meaning they pay for a majority of the same taxes we do when they buy a home, pay for gas, buy text books, ect… (with the exception of employment which is a gray area, since technically they’re not allowed to work, although some employers turn a blind eye to forged residency cards – in which case they actually do pay taxes under someone else’s name, with all of those benefits such as social security going to someone else.)



Edit: It comes out to an estimated 10 Billion a year.
October 10, 2011 @ 06:12 AM
&bullshit

Post: 1288

Join Date: Aug 2008

Location: Los Angeles

The Dream Act will open the state's Cal Grant money pot to illegal immigrant students in 2013. The California Department of Finance estimates that 2,500 undocumented students will qualify for Cal Grant funding as a result of the Dream Act, allowing $14.5 million for those students. The entire Cal Grant program is funded at $1.4 billion, meaning the total available for immigrant students represents 1% of the purse.

Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/10/09/california-passes-dream-act-allowing-aid-for-undocumented-students/#ixzz1aMAcWHVD


1% dog. which is like what, a tiny fraction of what your parents pay in taxes? stop being xenophobic. these kids need help.

you think life is tough cus you live in hayward and drive a 97 audi? try being brought to another country as a small child where you can't drive or work legally and can't get financial aid to pay for college. if they qualify for financial aid it's cus their parents make way less than yours son. quit whinin'

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October 10, 2011 @ 06:20 AM
dirtyandypants

Post: 484

Join Date: Oct 2008


then have illegals pay taxes then, thats fair right? oh wait


you really don't know anything. how are you even in college
October 10, 2011 @ 07:20 AM
mr mcgibblets

Post: 2179

Join Date: Nov 2010

My brother couldn’t get into community college
is he retarded?
October 10, 2011 @ 07:32 AM
deadpooL

Post: 2374

Join Date: Jun 2008

Location: Tokyo

*devil's advocate mode activated*

Taking away even 1% (14M) = thousands of US students not receiving (a sufficient amount of) FA.

true/false?
October 10, 2011 @ 07:43 AM
&bullshit

Post: 1288

Join Date: Aug 2008

Location: Los Angeles

if the difference between sufficient and insufficient amount of FA is about 1 percent then possibly true.

in which case they can apply for student loans. which illegal students can't.

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October 10, 2011 @ 05:58 PM
The Fiasco

Post: 2550

Join Date: Apr 2006

Location: Chicago.


is he retarded?


That's what I thought too....

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October 10, 2011 @ 06:07 PM
Fire

Post: 345

Join Date: Feb 2009

Location: NY

Shit, i get all the financial aide i need from the government.
October 10, 2011 @ 06:07 PM
Fire

Post: 345

Join Date: Feb 2009

Location: NY

Shit, i get all the financial aide i need from the government.
October 10, 2011 @ 06:09 PM
hools

Post: 4461

Join Date: Jul 2008

Location: California

first the feds tryna take our reefers from us and now this. RIP California

jk west coast is still the best coast y'all cool
October 10, 2011 @ 08:01 PM
mr mcgibblets

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lol^
October 10, 2011 @ 08:52 PM
dead7

Post: 13351

Join Date: Mar 2010

Location: The Valley of Killa...

fuck illegals. no perspective changes the fact they are breaking U.S. laws to get here, and living here in direct opposition to our laws. Criminals deserve no breaks imo, no matter how much good they do or can do.
October 11, 2011 @ 12:51 AM
Quan292

Post: 755

Join Date: Jul 2010

Location: Queens Ny

this will only help society in the long run. more educated students means increased productivity.
October 11, 2011 @ 01:22 AM
The Main Event

Post: 1429

Join Date: Jul 2006

Location: NJ

If you are not a citizen or legally allowed to be here, you should get absolutely nothing. We have enough citizens mooching off/gaming the system (in general) already, we don't need anymore.
October 11, 2011 @ 01:29 AM
The Fiasco

Post: 2550

Join Date: Apr 2006

Location: Chicago.

How the fuck is financial aid scamming the Gov’t B?


can you read my nigga?

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October 11, 2011 @ 02:21 AM
D. Rose

Post: 2228

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there are more important things to protest


like this new layout

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October 11, 2011 @ 02:39 AM
dead7

Post: 13351

Join Date: Mar 2010

Location: The Valley of Killa...

Smh some real ignorant people in here son
America is as much open to them as it is to US who are we...


It is open to them, but they are skipping the system for citizenship and hopping ahead of those who are achieving their citizenship the right way. It isn't fair or legal, and there is no excuse or defense for it. Just cause u don't like the law doesn't mean u can break it.
October 11, 2011 @ 03:50 AM
FORTE ASHLEY OLSEN

Post: 437

Join Date: Jan 2011

Illegal immigration isn't a black and white issue. Look at it from a broader context, the U.S. has been exploiting Mexico and the rest of the third world for a long time. After the Mexican American war we took advantage of the informal system of property ownership that was in place to strip away land that had been owned for generations by Mexican families, and sold that land to American farmers. During WWII we brought over tons of Mexican workers but sent their pay back to be held in Mexico to keep them from wanting to stay in the U.S. Lots of them never got their money.

Now take the current drug wars going on into consideration. Mad politicians talk about trying to keep the violence from spilling over into our country but you almost never hear any one say anything about our citizens directly funding the violence by buying the drugs in the first place. Much less talk about how the drug cartels got their hands on guns that were manufactured in Israel. Not to mention the global economic effects we've had that give people little else to turn to. There's a reason why they'll cut each others tongues out for money. Lots of people in Mexico know first hand what its like to be starving, not gotta go to the soup kitchen to cop a ham and cheese sandwich starving, starving for real.

I'm not naive, I know you can't blame the U.S. for everything, we can't fix everything, and we damn sure can't afford to take every person from Mexico or any other needy country, but it is a fucked up situation. Our current laws make immigration inaccessible to the people who need it the worst but a lot of people keep an attitude like "come over and work in the fields so I can get cheap tomatoes, or go back to the mess that we helped make."

tl;dr Illegal Immigration is a complex issues. Don't let people on either side convince you with a slogan or one or two facts.
October 11, 2011 @ 05:13 AM
dead7

Post: 13351

Join Date: Mar 2010

Location: The Valley of Killa...

the complexities of it do nothing to change the fact that the law is being broken. You cant take the position "well we did this, or this is kinda messed up, so they should be allowed/rewarded for breaking the law".

I'm just saying laws are being broken, and its an issue that is black & white. Lots of people commit crimes out of duress or complicated situations. that doesn't mean they didn't commit a crime.... cause its complicated...

what would you say to the immigrants trying to gain their citizenship the right way? and are being cheated by these criminals.

Alot of people want to sympathize with them and i understand. people break the law all the time and have people sympathize with them. But it is, what it is.
October 11, 2011 @ 05:40 AM
jafeel

Post: 440

Join Date: Aug 2009

Preach brotha preach. So much truth
October 11, 2011 @ 06:23 AM
FORTE ASHLEY OLSEN

Post: 437

Join Date: Jan 2011

Not every law is just or practical. Look at the Jim Crow laws. People from the civil rights movement were arrested for violating those laws. They were criminals, as they were breaking the law, but it doesn't mean they were in the wrong.
I understand we do need laws to regulate who is coming across our borders, but the laws we have are broken. Is it just to deny the people we exploit directly and indirectly the ability to come into our country to better their situation and move themselves out of a subservient position? It might not be intentional, but that's what we do.

I completely get the frustration of the people who do go the right way seeing others get here illegal after having invested so much time and money. It's not a viable option for others though. I mean just to get here illegally, some people save up for months and months to pay for a guide across the desert.
October 11, 2011 @ 06:32 AM
dirtyandypants

Post: 484

Join Date: Oct 2008

the complexities of it do nothing to change the fact that the law is being broken. You cant take...


I see you have a 5th grade view of the world.
The new law says that undocumented students can now get financial aid. it's the law. what now?

you're using reasoning that calls a necessity to strictly follow the law regardless of what it is to argue against a new law that you just don't like. how does that make any sense? If you don't think illegal immigrants should get financial aid because you just don't want them to, you should just say so instead of using really retarded logic to contradict yourself.

so if they made a new law that says it's okay to not be a citizen here, then you wouldn't even care since your opinion hinges entirely on what's written on a piece of paper right? it's obvious then that you shouldn't even be taking part of this thread because you don't really have an opinion on citizenship, financial aid or anything related. you just love the law's dick and you'd follow it blindly to the ends of the earth. do you see why your line of thinking sucks ass?
October 11, 2011 @ 07:50 AM
dead7

Post: 13351

Join Date: Mar 2010

Location: The Valley of Killa...

Actually i'm arguing that illegal immigrants are criminals and shouldn't receive any benefit from tax payers. A point u have yet to disprove. Other than to say 'that's/your stupid". I get the laws may not be fair or balanced at the moment, but they are the laws, and many people are going through it right now the correct way. Im not gonna reward those who cut in line, its a slap in the face to those doing it right.
Essentially your argument is "the rules are dumb, so we should ignore them, or turn a blind eye"... You can take any law and i can find some one who thinks it isn't fair or that its dumb... drugs,child porn(lulz),domestic violence take your pick. Until they are actually changed we must enforce them.

Part of the reason Americans are so disgruntled over taxes is how the money is spent. Using American dollars to fund illegals cant be the best use for that cash at a time like this imo. You obviously are either close to an immigrant or one yourself, which is why you seem so emotionally charged. When this bill goes to the popular vote(which i pray it will) we will see how the people feel about it. If they agree with you, then so be it. [smileyface]

comparing immigrants sneaking into america and taking advantage of tax payer money to the Jim Crow laws is a bit of a stretch. I'm not gonna get into the difference between some ones ethnicity and some ones actions(entering the country illegally). If they are the same or equal to you, ill leave it at that.
October 11, 2011 @ 12:33 PM
&bullshit

Post: 1288

Join Date: Aug 2008

Location: Los Angeles

nothing regarding laws is ever black and white. that's why we have such a complex judicial system. the people benefiting from this most likely didn't break the law themselves. they were brought here from a young age. People seem to have a problem when tax dollars go towards something like this but fail to realize that about 10 billion of those tax dollars came from illegals themselves.

In this case the law was changed and I see nothing wrong with that. Neither do the majority of the law making personnel in the state since it passed. maybe some laws were meant to be changed...?

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