LOL they're a bunch of dumb hipster kids. The fuck have YOU done lately?
so it really is just a bunch of upset hipsters with nothing better to do? i find that hard to believe but it sounds about right lol.
Originally posted by Inactive Usereven this is somewhat of a generalization. yes thats what it started out as, but now theres all sorts of demographics. theres people with their children, old ♥♥♥♥♥s, the NYC Transit Union has backed them, George Soros has even endorsed them. its becoming a pretty big deal now.
you can trivialize it all you want but....
Trivialize what? A bunch of upset people? With out a agenda or specific goal, its just nonsense.
I'm not saying that there isnt one though, just that i havent heard what it is...
feel free to enlighten me.
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shouldnt they be marching/occupying the capital then, not wall street? none of this makes sense.
Originally posted by Inactive Usergod damn it. why do people keep saying this? its totally irrelevant. is there a correlation between the location of a protest and its effectiveness? i mean there were rallies and protests about Sudan back in 2006-2007. Did you expect them to go to Darfur?
and a lot of those grievances are directed at the corporations AND the government. theyve both been fucking the people over. and those investment banks on Wall St. played a huge role in the financial collapse in 2008 so thats why theyre there.
like i said before though, the location is irrelevant. there are protests in big cities all over the country. theres an Occupy Boston, Portland, etc. people are protesting wherever they can. and im willing to bet that we arent too far from there being a protest in DC.
i just dont understand why people are being dicks about this. let them protest. its their prerogative
Its apparent that you are passionate about whats going on so i wont argue the details. I will say that the protesters have a chance to make an impact, but need a clear, concise message. Not just a list of things they are unhappy with. It is also important to target the "movement" at those at fault, and for over 90% of the complaints it government... not big business.
I wasn't trying to "trivialize" the "movement", or be a dick. Just noticing how poorly the whole thing is being orchestrated.
This may sting a bit, but the "movement" could take a few notes from the Tea Party on getting a message out and then facilitating that change.
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this is a different time. it is not "WE WANT THIS. WE WANT IT NOW!"
it is a general feeling of being left behind, fucked over, and forgotten by the government and economy. people are realizing this and are getting fucking mad about it. no one knows exactly what needs to be done. there is no clear goal. why should there be? when a protester was asked by a reporter, "how would you like this to end?" he responded, "i wouldn't like it to end, i would like to see the conversation continue".
this isn't as cut and dried as demanding a solution from the government and then going home when a politician promises something. it doesn't work.
I get what you are saying, but it doesnt work that way.
"If there's no solution, there's no problem."
A problem isn't just something that bothers/annoys/upsets you. A problem is something that you try to solve. If it is something that is by nature impossible for you to solve, then you stop trying to solve it. Then it is no longer a problem, it is rather something that you find a way to accept and deal with.
What you are describing is closer to venting...
i don't get at all what you're trying to say.
if we think something is impossible to solve, then we just give up?
people are down at the protest trying to learn what happened, and are discussing how to solve the problem. there are teach ins and discussions being held. it is an ongoing process that we are in the middle of. just because there is no clear solution to a very obviously solvable problem, doesn't mean that you just give up.
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Originally posted by Inactive Userwhat has the tea party done though? yeah they got a couple of people in the Senate and governorship's, but what have they been able to do to reign in the federal government?
imo the system is too rigid and stubborn to reform and i think public outcry will expedite the process
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