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October 17, 2011 @ 05:07 PM
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October 17, 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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The working class got too smart for capitalism, what did they expect to happen?
October 17, 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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lol dat melodramatic music.

but cool

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October 17, 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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lol dat melodramatic music.

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October 17, 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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<p> my niggas tavis smiley and cornel west aint takin no bs from o’ reilly</p>
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October 17, 2011 @ 09:55 PM
Homes

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I was thinking about this the other day. Does anyone else think that right now would be a perfect time for a serious third party to enter politics? I think it's interesting to consider. If you marketed it right, I think they could totally sweep the elections. The Occupy Wall Street protestors are sick of the status quo, the Tea Party is sick of the status quo. The trend for Americans to vote more independently is still going strong. Neither side (Democrats or Republicans) is really connecting with these disgruntled voting bases.

If you came in with a legit new populist party I think you could run the game right now. Get a couple respected politicians to convert, get some of the more respected independent politicians to join, etc. During debates and speeches and shit just talk about how politicians aren't doing what the people want anymore, they're doing shit for money, etc. Say that you will try to change everything that basically doesn't make sense to the layman like filibustering and excessive campaign donations, etc. Stuff that looks like bullshit to minimum wage voters. Man I wish I had the ends to organize something like this. Perfect opportunity. And if it doesn't happen before the economy recovers it's not going to happen for a long time.
October 17, 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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<p>The working class got too smart for capitalism, what did they expect to happen?</p>



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October 18, 2011 @ 12:06 AM
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<p>Lol Cornell west is that n!igga</p>


smh... cornell west would shake his head and walk away if anyone called him their 'n!gga' to his face...
October 18, 2011 @ 12:09 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC77HGZLTkA&feature=player_embedded#!
my man , maybe they should elect dude leader, he seems to have a clear idea of what can be accomplished and how


No offense, but whenever someone calls themselves a revolutionary, they usually aren't one. MLK Jr., Malcolm X, Thomas Sankara are all revolutionaries. Self-proclaimed Immortal Technique has cool music but he doesn't sound very educated and he's just happy to be jumping on the revolution-protest bandwagon...

no hate tho..
October 18, 2011 @ 12:12 AM
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Someone wanna tell me what the actual goal of this is?

Other than some general broad shit like "ending corrupt politicians"

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October 18, 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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<p>Someone wanna tell me what the actual goal of this is?</p>
<p>Other than some general broad shit like “ending corrupt politicians”</p>


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October 18, 2011 @ 12:30 AM
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<p>Someone wanna tell me what the actual goal of this is?</p>
<p>Other than some general broad shit like “ending corrupt politicians”</p>


bankers are making a bazillion dollars, as are corporations, and they aren't paying enough taxes and their greed has led to the economic downturn.


basically, if you're a corporation who makes 37 billion a year and you don't pay any direct taxes, you better bet your ass some people were going to get angry eventually.
October 18, 2011 @ 03:00 AM
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Not quite.........Smart off enough to say to themselves 'Hey why am I working for you?' but not smart enough to figure out how to work for themselves......Regardless this whole 'stink up the sidewalk' thing is getting tired. Either move somewhere socialist or become a monk b real talk.
October 18, 2011 @ 04:16 AM
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<p>bankers are making a bazillion dollars, as are corporations, and they aren’t paying enough taxes and their greed has led to the economic downturn.</p>
<p>basically, if you’re a corporation who makes 37 billion a year and you don’t pay any direct taxes, you better bet your ass some people were going to get angry eventually.</p>


i guess this is the problem; people are angry at something they dont understand. you realize the top 1% of tax payers pay nearly 40% of taxes. the tax system in the US is already highly progressive. if you make 30-80k a year you pay 25% on your income for taxes. if you make 80-175k; 28%. if you make 175-380k; 33%. 380k+; 35%.

and in response to the point that a corporation which brings in "37 billion a year"; this is true if it is, say an s-corp. but you realize as those profits a divided among shareholders they are taxed at a personal level as income....its not like they are not paying taxes. in fact most companies are c-corp and actually have double taxation for the shareholder because the profits are taxed at a corporate level and again when dividends are paid to shareholders

there is no unified goal for these protestors. shit has hit the fan and people look to blame wall street because they were making the most money before the bubble burst
October 18, 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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October 18, 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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oh yea



lold hard at tavis and west's reaction

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October 18, 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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lol yo honestly you up in this shit soundin real self rightrous my n!igga, idk what vast amount of research you've done on the subject but MLK was a lot of things and a "revolutionary" wasn't one of them

All I do is smoke weed, blow lines, and listen to MF DOOM. And rap. http://www.facebook.com/SpacemanNYC

October 18, 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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<p>I was thinking about this the other day. Does anyone else think that right now would be a perfect time for a serious third party to enter politics? I think it’s interesting to consider. If you marketed it right, I think they could totally sweep the elections. The Occupy Wall Street protestors are sick of the status quo, the Tea Party is sick of the status quo. The trend for Americans to vote more independently is still going strong. Neither side (Democrats or Republicans) is really connecting with these disgruntled voting bases. </p>
<p>If you came in with a legit new populist party I think you could run the game right now. Get a couple respected politicians to convert, get some of the more respected independent politicians to join, etc. During debates and speeches and shit just talk about how politicians aren’t doing what the people want anymore, they’re doing shit for money, etc. Say that you will try to change everything that basically doesn’t make sense ......


My bet is that a populist party would do really well. They do quite good in european countries so why not in the US.

What's up with that dude Ron Paul btw? is he big in the states or doesn't ring a bell? He seems legit for what i've heard/seen from/about him so far.
October 18, 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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It isn't that progressive of a tax. It's all relative. The top 1% own 38.1% of the wealth in the country, the next 4% own 21.3%, and the next 5% own 11.5%. That is to say, the top 10% of the country owns 70.9% of the wealth of this nation. If the top 10% of the nation holds that large of a percentage of our nations wealth, then why is 40% such a "progressive tax"? Especially considering that once you become a part of that 10%, that you can use that wealth to influence politicians and policies that you can gain tremendously from, making hundreds of millions of dollars even with the tax rate on income at 40%.


What's more, tax rates for these high-earning groups has been decreasing for the last 20 years, which is a major factor in the insanely imbalanced distribution of wealth in the country, among other things.
October 18, 2011 @ 05:29 PM
DhA

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Herman Cain has the right attitude to these kids, get a job.
October 18, 2011 @ 05:41 PM
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I can't see your pictures but ok so the top 10% owns 70% of the nations wealth....it is relative because the top 10% also happened to be 70% of federal income taxes. the top 1% paid more taxes than the entire bottom 90%. it is progressive and that is how it should be. progressive allows it to be relative.

to be in the top 10% you have to make a little above 100k a year. i know tons of people who make that or more and believe me they do not have influence over politicians or policies of any scale, yet alone "tremendous form." maybe the top 10% OF the top 1% have influence.

i agree there is a major discrepancy of wealth; but this is because there are more many more workers of average household income. the shear number of people with average income is much greater than the number of people in the top 1%. this division of wealth and people claiming the "loss of middle class" is statistical rather than real.
October 18, 2011 @ 07:42 PM
Blunted at birth.

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fuck political parties. why buy into a corrupt system?
October 18, 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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October 18, 2011 @ 09:12 PM
sjem

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<p>Not quite………Smart off enough to say to themselves ‘Hey why am I working for you?’ but not smart enough to figure out how to work for themselves</p>


But that wouldn't necessarily be a capitalist society which, if I understand correctly, is exactly what these people want. You can't have a load of capitalists and no labour force to work their machines.
October 19, 2011 @ 07:51 AM

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I'm particularly interested in it because this could potentially be history, the catalyst to a very different period in american or even global society. Occupations have been perhaps the most significant fusion of this new age of social media and viral information with civil and political issues, led by a mass of people with no polar leadership who are unsatisfied with our economic situation.

When visiting the occupy oakland main protest, I was amazed at the organization and seemingly organic ordering of a micro community in this main plaza in the city of Oakland. There was tent for laptops and electrical outlets powered by a bike machine who's use was encouraged. I observed a library, information centers, a first aid post, and even a corner for children to occupy with crayons and toys. There seemed to be quite a good system of how to self sustain this movement.

To dive deeper into this movement in perhaps a more political and philosophical angle however I also observed a lot. First is the actual movement itself, where I saw it as a puddle that drops of water kept trickling in on, slowly growing and growing. I noticed however that this puddle was still shapeable, it's just a force and I am waiting to see what the funnel will be for this water, in a sense what will the message be? If you needed to write what exactly it is that the occupiers demanded, I think it would take a quite a while.

What is clear however, is that there is a respectable and powerful number of people who are not satisfied with what has been occurring over the past few years, and are willing to take action to show their support for this cause. To some extent I agree, capitalism as I before have contemplated is perhaps not the perfect and best form of economy. I'm not saying I agree with equal distribution of wealth (which I don't think I am) but I do think that capitalism on paper is good, but has many fundamental flaws that have been exploited by the corporate and financial world. So in a way I've drawn the conclusion that capitalism really is sort of immature, and it's self destructive. The real problem I see is the six billion people that occupy the earth and how are we going to provide for everyone. Problems I think many people have idealistic approaches to solving.

I believe in this movement though, I believe that their is great power in the masses. More and more people will inevitably join this movement and perhaps a significant shift in the culture and paradigm of society will occur at some point. This is a very serious situation however, and I think it can't expand too rapidly. I keep thinking of that thin line between progressive non violence and peaceful assembly and the beheadings of the king and queen in the French Revolution. A council member in the occupation was handing out flyers warning that the police and protesters might clash later at some point during the evening and said to me "bring your cameras.".
October 19, 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

LOL at the list of demands this thing is a fucking joke.

CURRENTLY IN LONDON.

October 19, 2011 @ 08:54 AM
Anti-Hero

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<p><a href="http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/</a></p>
<p>LOL at the list of demands this thing is a fucking joke.</p>


says it at the top of the page. that's just one crackpot user's demands, not offical.

"Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands."

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October 19, 2011 @ 09:08 PM
kiIogram

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Notice how as taxes go down over time for the highest income tax bracket, the disparity between income in the U.S. goes up.

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Here is a historical top tax rate. If you think 35% is ridiculous, look at the tax for the top income bracket in the 50's, which was the time period with the smallest gap between income between the bottom 90% and the top 10%

EDIT: Oh hey let me quote something and get rid of the embedded quotes OH HEY THIS IS MUCH SIMPLER THAN VBULLETIN. I'D RATHER DEAL WITH 20 LINES OF CODE THAN PUTTING QUOTE BRACKETS. nevermind. fuck you medialab.

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October 19, 2011 @ 11:29 PM
Ferris

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what did you guys think about citibank arresting their customers?
October 20, 2011 @ 06:59 AM
Homes

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I think if I was the manager of that Citibank I would've had no choice but to call the police after they refused to leave too...

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