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July 26, 2011 @ 08:46 PM

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really.

i don't think anyone here is trying to defend that gory shit.

but you're making Islam out to be Big Bad, when Islam is subject to interpretations. I've encountered Muslims who drink smoke and fuck like everyone else, and i've also encountered very religious Muslims. in the latter case, none of them support finger cutting, hand cutting, slavery, or sexism. muslims are just like you and me, trying to get by and make a better life for themselves and their family. stop demonizing them because of the actions of a few extremists. islam is a very dynamic religion, and to pigeonhole it is so fucking stupid.

just like in christianity. it's based on the same principles and some of the same holy texts, but interpretations vary. in christianity, you can go from liberal methodists, to the strictest of catholics. and they would probably consider themselves christian in some sense.

and it is foolish of you to judge how others are punished based solely on your biased Western view of how people should be punished. islam hasn't adopted to Western society, so how can you judge them based on your world view? and that's not to condone stoning or finger cutting at all. i'm just saying that you're being ignorant by acting as if the Western way is the only way.
July 26, 2011 @ 08:50 PM
Constellations

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I guess I don't really have anything to contribute here, but I find it comical how everybody's having a fun time bashing religion and calling people out on their views and beliefs, then someone calls out Islam and then it is just out of line. This is true in real life as well. Talk trash about the Christians or the Jews and, fuck, people might even high-five you. Bring Islam into it, and you are automatically the most racist, ignorant fuck. Take for example that Pastor in Florida who threatened to burn like 200 Qur'ans. People all over the globe were outraged and he was begged not to do it. However, I'm sure you were conveniently uninformed about the mass Bible burning that the Iraninan Government held months prior. I'm not even anti-Muslim person per se, but people (NOT just Muslims), for some reason treat Islam like it is the one thing that is off limits in this world for criticism, joke-making, insults, and whatnot.


I think the pastor in Florida got more attention primarily because he was an American and the U.S. is supposed to be "a city upon a hill" where everyone is tolerant of one another's beliefs and not so much what religious book he was burning. Having some redneck burning Quarans makes us look like a bunch of hypocritical cunts and god knows enough people hate the US already. Whereas, in Iran, burning Bibles and doing other crazy shit is a daily occurence, so its less likely to be reported. Just like how a car bombing in Mogadishu might just get a blurb in the paper and how an attempted car bombing in Times Square was headline news

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July 26, 2011 @ 08:58 PM
kush1086

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really.


it is foolish of you to judge how others are punished based solely on your biased Western view of how people should be punished. islam hasn't adopted to Western society, so how can you judge them based on your world view? and that's not to condone stoning or finger cutting at all. i'm just saying that you're being ignorant by acting as if the Western way is the only way.



Probably one of the most ridiculous and stupid statements that I have ever read...


Prominent atheist/author/neuroscientist Sam Harris:

"On Aug. 17, 2005, an Iraqi insurgent helped collect the injured survivors of a car bombing, rushed them to a hospital and then detonated his own bomb, murdering those who were already mortally wounded as well as the doctors and nurses struggling to save their lives. Where were the cries of outrage from the Muslim world? Religious sociopaths kill innocents by the hundreds in the capitols of Europe, blow up the offices of the U.N. and the Red Cross, purposefully annihilate crowds of children gathered to collect candy from U.S. soldiers on the streets of Baghdad, kidnap journalists, behead them, and the videos of their butchery become the most popular form of pornography in the Muslim world, and no one utters a word of protest because these atrocities have been perpetrated “in defense of Islam.” But draw a picture of the Prophet, and pious mobs convulse with pious rage. One could hardly ask for a better example of religious dogmatism and its pseudo-morality eclipsing basic, human goodness.

It is time we recognized—and obliged the Muslim world to recognize—that “Muslim extremism” is not extreme among Muslims. Mainstream Islam itself represents an extremist rejection of intellectual honesty, gender equality, secular politics and genuine pluralism. The truth about Islam is as politically incorrect as it is terrifying: Islam is all fringe and no center. In Islam, we confront a civilization with an arrested history. It is as though a portal in time has opened, and the Christians of the 14th century are pouring into our world.

So let us now acknowledge the obvious: there is a direct link between the doctrine of Islam and Muslim violence. Acknowledging this link remains especially taboo among political liberals. While liberals are leery of religious fundamentalism in general, they consistently imagine that all religions at their core teach the same thing and teach it equally well. This is one of the many delusions borne of political correctness. Rather than continue to squander precious time, energy, and good will by denying the role that Islam now plays in perpetuating Muslim violence, we should urge Muslim communities, East and West, to reform the ideology of their religion. This will not be easy, as the Koran and hadith offer precious little basis for a Muslim Enlightenment, but it is necessary. The truth that we must finally confront is that Islam contains specific notions of martyrdom and jihad that fully explain the character of Muslim violence. Unless the world’s Muslims can find some way of expunging the metaphysics that is fast turning their religion into a cult of death, we will ultimately face the same perversely destructive behavior throughout much of the world. It should be clear that I am not speaking about a race or an ethnicity here; I am speaking about the logical consequences of specific ideas.

Anyone who imagines that terrestrial concerns account for Muslim terrorism must answer questions of the following sort: Where are the Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers? The Tibetans have suffered an occupation far more brutal, and far more cynical, than any that Britain, the United States, or Israel have ever imposed upon the Muslim world. Where are the throngs of Tibetans ready to perpetrate suicidal atrocities against Chinese noncombatants? They do not exist. What is the difference that makes the difference? The difference lies in the specific tenets of Islam. This is not to say that Buddhism could not help inspire suicidal violence. It can, and it has (Japan, World War II). But this concedes absolutely nothing to the apologists for Islam. As a Buddhist, one has to work extremely hard to justify such barbarism. One need not work nearly so hard as a Muslim. If you doubt whether the comparison is valid, ask yourself where the Palestinian Christian suicide bombers are. Palestinian Christians also suffer the indignity of the Israeli occupation. This is practically a science experiment: take the same people, speaking the same language, put them in the same horrendous circumstance, but give them slightly different religious beliefs—and then watch what happens. What happens is, they behave differently."
July 26, 2011 @ 09:22 PM
Argh.T

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As a raised Catholic myself Kush makes some very valid points.
Christianity has a history stained with violence and blood shed but as our mind set evolves as humans we begin to interpret the holy texts differently. We do not follow them literally but figuratively. We use our own sense of morality, of what is right and wrong to shape our beliefs.

Kush has never said that ALL Muslims are violent people, especially those in Western societies.
The point that he is trying to make is that humans being humans have the ability to interpret these holy texts in a violent manner. History in a lot of religions and even now in predominantly islamic countries continue to prove it.
July 26, 2011 @ 09:58 PM
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Probably one of the most ridiculous and stupid statements that I have ever read...


hate to say it but I kinda agreed with this.
July 26, 2011 @ 10:30 PM
Cboom

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really.

i don't think anyone here is trying to defend that gory shit.

but you're making Islam out to be Big Bad, when Islam is subject to interpretations. I've encountered Muslims who drink smoke and fuck like everyone else, and i've also encountered very religious Muslims. in the latter case, none of them support finger cutting, hand cutting, slavery, or sexism. muslims are just like you and me, trying to get by and make a better life for themselves and their family. stop demonizing them because of the actions of a few extremists. islam is a very dynamic religion, and to pigeonhole it is so fucking stupid.

just like in christianity. it's based on the same principles and some of the same holy texts, but interpretations vary. in christianity, you can go from liberal methodists, to the strictest of catholics. and they would probably consider themselves christian in some sense.

and it is foolish of you to judge how others are punished based solely on your biased Western view of how people should be punished. islam hasn't adopted to Western society, so how can you judge them based on your world view? and that's not to condone stoning or finger cutting at all. i'm just saying that you're being ignorant by acting as if the Western way is the only way.


I am at a complete loss of words at how much of a complete and utter fucking moron you are. Truly embarrassing.
July 26, 2011 @ 10:34 PM
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^ actually.. i believe thats true..

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and why are all of kush's posts based on religion? also, i HATE THE IDEA of violence on other people.. i said i know how we handle punishment differently compared to back then...

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July 26, 2011 @ 11:04 PM
~Righty

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lol at that faggot kush1086 showing up to post only when islam is mentioned again. hahahahahaha.
July 26, 2011 @ 11:45 PM
Dat780

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Ayo, fuck religion.
July 27, 2011 @ 12:00 AM
kush1086

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lol at that faggot kush1086 showing up to post only when islam is mentioned again. hahahahahaha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQKKj_qeOBQ
July 27, 2011 @ 01:11 AM
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I dont understand why atheist try so hard to bash others religion.Like why they so salty though? If you dont believe in god then thats cool but why go out of your way to make other people who do believe in god seem so wrong and unethical?

My name is ASAC Schrader, and you can go fuck yourself.

July 27, 2011 @ 01:19 AM
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I dont understand why atheist try so hard to bash others religion.Like why they so salty though? If you dont believe in god then thats cool but why go out of your way to make other people who do believe in god seem so wrong and unethical?


Cause they believe they're on some next level shit by breaking the mold and being atheist.
Even though they're just jumping the bandwagon after listening to some random hate-fused teen-angst band.

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July 27, 2011 @ 01:56 AM
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At the end of the day, regardless of religious bias , People do things because of what they believe in. Some people hold their ideals to such an extreme that it consumes them. Though murder isn't the answer, it was clearly the most logical thing to Breivik.

It sucks, but hey it be like that sometimes lol

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July 27, 2011 @ 02:41 AM
Argh.T

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This. I remember when Atheists always used to employ the, 'I don't want other people to continuously shove their beliefs onto me' argument. Now a lot of them are doing the same lol.
July 27, 2011 @ 02:42 AM
Argh.T

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Cause they believe they're on some next level shit by breaking the mold and being atheist.
Even though they're just jumping the bandwagon after listening to some random hate-fused teen-angst band.

This. I remember when Atheists always used to employ the, 'I don't want other people to continuously shove their beliefs onto me' argument. Now a lot of them are doing the same lol.
July 27, 2011 @ 04:01 PM
Fitch

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This. I remember when Atheists always used to employ the, 'I don't want other people to continuously shove their beliefs onto me' argument. Now a lot of them are doing the same lol.


That's a bitch slap of truth right there!
July 27, 2011 @ 11:03 PM

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This is how he felt about Hip-Hop......:

"I personally know of more than 50 individuals who started with hashish and marijuana as a direct result of the hip-hop mentality. Many of these went from light drugs to heavier drugs such as amphetamine and even heroin. I personally know that more than 20 individuals, from my
July 27, 2011 @ 11:59 PM
bonemarrow

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atheistism is just trying to be intellectual do you ever hear jocks saying they are atheist?

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July 28, 2011 @ 12:14 AM
The Chosen One

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whats a jock?
July 28, 2011 @ 12:17 AM
loop

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jocks a what?

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