December 9, 2010 @ 08:25 PM
k0p0n0

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you Americans should be celebrating this... Assange should be punished for stealing documents, but you as an American have all the right to view this documents... I know I have.

Besides, the cables paint American diplomats as crafty and intelligent, not something I would be ashamed of if I still was an American citizen.
December 9, 2010 @ 09:12 PM
FlamingBible

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LOL

They cannot force you to do a Polygraph and you can't be fired from your job for viewing Wikileaks and the files if your not doing it at work, 100% no grounds for dismissal; you could sue your employer easily if they did sack you. I dunno where you work at but unless you work for the government, you won't have an issue providing it's not done at work when you're suppose to do other things.


I'm speaking on behave of American policy, not the legality in Australia. Not all government jobs force you to take a poly, but some DO for employment. Also, there are private corporations that contract for the govt. and if they're working on certain programs, they also HAVE to take one to gain employment or retain employment. Whether the act of viewing was done at work or at home on your personal computer is irrelevant, it is still an unauthorized viewing of classified and compartmentalized information which you didn't have the caveat to see. The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 guidelines and precautions those about how serious an offense is.

Like I stated, if you're trying to get a fed/state/local government job, do not view the information.
December 9, 2010 @ 09:16 PM
FlamingBible

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No the Gov is supposed to be of the people for the people.



~Sinclair Lewis


The government is FOR the people since the workers of the government are US citizens and apart of the people. This information is classified for a reason. To protect the people from another attack; both domestic born or foreign.
December 9, 2010 @ 10:32 PM
Knives

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Read all of this shit and all I gotta say is those that are congratulating this guy are idiots if you are American.

I've already gotten 3 emails stating if I view any of this shit, I can kiss my job goodbye.

There is some shit that the average American should not know, and this is one of them.

Lol at all the hippy dudes pumpin their chest.


LOl you are an idiot if you think that viewing media documents will get you fired. And secondly no company would do and risk a lawsuit. Especially doing something idiotic like sending an email that can easily be shown in court. But if you feel that any political structure should keep secrets from the people than you are someone who must want to be lied to.

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December 9, 2010 @ 10:37 PM
Knives

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LOL IDK where you work FlamingBible, but if you work for a company that requires anything poly or can fire you for what you do on the internet, then you shouldn't be on Hypebeast dude. We are all people who are entitled to understanding the things that people do. If someone killed your mother and kept it from you or arrested your friend for something he didn't do and covered it up, how would you feel about that?

That's clearly assange's goal man. To let the truth come to the light. It has nothing to do with "hippies"(even though they scared the shit out of america during the 60's/70s for the same shit or stupid americans. It's about the right of public knowledge. I thought we all lived in a democracy, but i guess not.

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December 9, 2010 @ 11:14 PM
gnar

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Read all of this shit and all I gotta say is those that are congratulating this guy are idiots if you are American.

I've already gotten 3 emails stating if I view any of this shit, I can kiss my job goodbye.

There is some shit that the average American should not know, and this is one of them.

Lol at all the hippy dudes pumpin their chest.


December 9, 2010 @ 11:21 PM
FlamingBible

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LOL IDK where you work FlamingBible, but if you work for a company that requires anything poly or can fire you for what you do on the internet, then you shouldn't be on Hypebeast dude. We are all people who are entitled to understanding the things that people do. If someone killed your mother and kept it from you or arrested your friend for something he didn't do and covered it up, how would you feel about that?

That's clearly assange's goal man. To let the truth come to the light. It has nothing to do with "hippies"(even though they scared the shit out of america during the 60's/70s for the same shit or stupid americans. It's about the right of public knowledge. I thought we all lived in a democracy, but i guess not.


If you want to know the truth so much man up and join the ranks of those that are in the KNOW. International politics is a mind game so if you want America to stay on a prosperous path of unipolarity, then some shit needs to remain on a need to know basis.

If we were about to catch Bin Laden in some covert mission should the govt. tell every citizen that the operation is taking place on blah blah time at blah blah place? NO.

Same principle is applied to some information.

The government has Departments that provide OVERSIGHT into matters like this.

Whether you believe it or not, a democratic nation that leads to the brink of anarchy is not good.

EXAMPLE: Let's not have a drinking age anymore since we are a democracy. How do you feel about that?
December 9, 2010 @ 11:25 PM
gnar

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If you want to know the truth so much man up and join the ranks of those that are in the KNOW. International politics is a mind game so if you want America to stay on a prosperous path of unipolarity, then some shit needs to remain on a need to know basis.

If we were about to catch Bin Laden in some covert mission should the govt. tell every citizen that the operation is taking place on blah blah time at blah blah place? NO.

Same principle is applied to some information.

The government has Departments that provide OVERSIGHT into matters like this.

Whether you believe it or not, a democratic nation that leads to the brink of anarchy is not good.

EXAMPLE: Let's not have a drinking age anymore since we are a democracy. How do you feel about that?


That has to be the most incoherent argument that I have read on Hypebeast. You even seem to fail at committing a sweeping generalization fallacy.
December 9, 2010 @ 11:28 PM
FlamingBible

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That has to be the most incoherent argument that I have read on Hypebeast.


How so? It touches bases on all of the aforementioned topics and touches on my premise.

Where's the fallacy?
December 9, 2010 @ 11:32 PM
FlamingBible

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I'm 16 and black and what is this


Are you urban black or suburban black?

Read the previous pages and you'll see what I'm conveying.
December 9, 2010 @ 11:37 PM
gnar

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How so? It touches bases on all of the aforementioned topics and touches on my premise.

Where's the fallacy?


"EXAMPLE: Let's not have a drinking age anymore since we are a democracy. How do you feel about that?"

You took his democracy statement and went out to left field with that one. But, you and I both know I can't convince you with anything, so lets stop while we're behind.
December 9, 2010 @ 11:51 PM
FlamingBible

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"EXAMPLE: Let's not have a drinking age anymore since we are a democracy. How do you feel about that?"

You took his democracy statement and went out to left field with that one. But, you and I both know I can't convince you with anything, so lets stop while we're behind.


You're quantifying a little too much with your statements. Who's to say that one argument holds more worth to an individual than the next man? There was a big push to lower the drinking age back to 18 a couple of years ago. In the 70s, states relegated their own drinking age laws until a federal law was pushed; at that time most states allowed 18 year olds to drink alcohol. Too many people were dying from accidents so the federal government stepped in. Should we lower the age limit? I'm asking you.

In regards to your last statement, resorting to ad hominem attacks isn't going to stop me from voicing my opinion; it would benefit your rhetoric if you provided a factual basis on what YOU think and why YOU think you're right.
December 10, 2010 @ 12:01 AM
Knives

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You're quantifying a little too much with your statements. Who's to say that one argument holds more worth to an individual than the next man? There was a big push to lower the drinking age back to 18 a couple of years ago. In the 70s, states relegated their own drinking age laws until a federal law was pushed; at that time most states allowed 18 year olds to drink alcohol. Too many people were dying from accidents so the federal government stepped in. Should we lower the age limit? I'm asking you.

In regards to your last statement, resorting to ad hominem attacks isn't going to stop me from voicing my opinion; it would benefit your rhetoric if you provided a factual basis on what YOU think and why YOU think you're right.


Gnar is absolutely right. you definitely took my democracy statement the wrong way. What I'm saying is. If the government is going to keep secrets from us as simple as China hacking google or 9/11 findings(in which we should know because these are people's loved ones dying like the Pat Tillman coverup) then shouldn't we just be a dictatorship or just become more fascist than we already are? Do you want to live in a world where there are virtually no rights? That's what these wikileaks guys are fighting for, the fact that the world shouldn't live in fear of a country and no country,state or even community should keep information from people. I can tell you for one that I would not like to be put into a situation where the people do not have free speach anymore, can you imagine living like that FlamingBible?

Like open your eyes dude. You are living in fear of information. And that fear is why we live in a fascist, dictatorial and elitist world.

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December 10, 2010 @ 12:08 AM
gnar

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You're quantifying a little too much with your statements. Who's to say that one argument holds more worth to an individual than the next man? There was a big push to lower the drinking age back to 18 a couple of years ago. In the 70s, states relegated their own drinking age laws until a federal law was pushed; at that time most states allowed 18 year olds to drink alcohol. Too many people were dying from accidents so the federal government stepped in. Should we lower the age limit? I'm asking you.

In regards to your last statement, resorting to ad hominem attacks isn't going to stop me from voicing my opinion; it would benefit your rhetoric if you provided a factual basis on what YOU think and why YOU think you're right.


No no no no. I don't know what you're trying to prove, but I did't attack you on anything. Hell, I didn't even recognize your argument in my replies. I don't care about your opinion, I am amused by your tactics of argument.

Ad hominem? I would retake that logic course, or whatever course you learned that from. I didn't do anything of the sort. I would have to attack you in some way, I would have to make an abusive statement towards your premise which I didn't even address.

A great example: "you don't know what you're talking about in regards to Wikileaks, because you're a fucking idiot," would be along the lines of an ad hominem.

All I was saying is that your example clearly made a generalization on his mention of democracy. You made a sweeping generalization. Enough said.
December 10, 2010 @ 12:10 AM
Ledger

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If you want to know the truth so much man up and join the ranks of those that are in the KNOW. International politics is a mind game so if you want America to stay on a prosperous path of unipolarity, then some shit needs to remain on a need to know basis.

If we were about to catch Bin Laden in some covert mission should the govt. tell every citizen that the operation is taking place on blah blah time at blah blah place? NO.

Same principle is applied to some information.

The government has Departments that provide OVERSIGHT into matters like this.

Whether you believe it or not, a democratic nation that leads to the brink of anarchy is not good.

EXAMPLE: Let's not have a drinking age anymore since we are a democracy. How do you feel about that?




Seriously brah, where do you work? I'd honestly like to know which company makes you undertake in polygraph tests and doesn't allow you to view certain websites.

There's no need to climb the ranks to find out the truth about what happens in Governments, it's our right as citizens (of which ever country we belong to) to know and if it involves releasing classified documents to keep the bastards honest, then so be it. Wikileaks might be ruining the government of the USA's reputation but it's partly their fault anyway. No one asked you guys to invade Afghanistan or Iraq but you did it anyway and your unpopularity is 100% your fault. The US basically caused the GFC due to your housing bubble bursting triggering off other problems felt worldwide.

What Wikileaks is doing, simply is revealing the truth about what is happening behind closed doors which isn't illegal and so far there is nothing that is THAT shocking although this might be different once the Banking cables get released.



I'm 16 and black and what is this


I fucking lol'd IRL.
December 10, 2010 @ 12:13 AM
FlamingBible

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Gnar is absolutely right. you definitely took my democracy statement the wrong way. What I'm saying is. If the government is going to keep secrets from us as simple as China hacking google or 9/11 findings(in which we should know because these are people's loved ones dying like the Pat Tillman coverup) then shouldn't we just be a dictatorship or just become more fascist than we already are? Do you want to live in a world where there are virtually no rights? That's what these wikileaks guys are fighting for, the fact that the world shouldn't live in fear of a country and no country,state or even community should keep information from people. I can tell you for one that I would not like to be put into a situation where the people do not have free speach anymore, can you imagine living like that FlamingBible?

Like open your eyes dude. You are living in fear of information. And that fear is why we live in a fascist, dictatorial and elitist world.


You took my democracy statement TOO literally and that just further validates my points. HOW far are we willing to go as country? How far should we go as a country? You state Tillman's death an example; were you not aware that USACID concluded that he was in fact killed by a friendly, this was an internal problem not some government trying to hide information. Since he was a famous athlete, the level of deception went up the chain of command and eventually deteriorated thus leading to people wanting answers and accusations being thrown to the wrongdoings and faulty awarding of the Silver Star.

From what I have gathered from your rant, it seems you believe in some sort of single international conglomerate? Is this what you are advocating?
December 10, 2010 @ 12:17 AM
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HOW far are we willing to go as country? How far should we go as a country?


Already prepping for a slippery slope. smile
December 10, 2010 @ 12:17 AM
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Word.


the fuck?

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December 10, 2010 @ 12:20 AM
Knives

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You took my democracy statement TOO literally and that just further validates my points. HOW far are we willing to go as country? How far should we go as a country? You state Tillman's death an example; were you not aware that USACID concluded that he was in fact killed by a friendly, this was an internal problem not some government trying to hide information. Since he was a famous athlete, the level of deception went up the chain of command and eventually deteriorated thus leading to people wanting answers and accusations being thrown to the wrongdoings and faulty awarding of the Silver Star.

From what I have gathered from your rant, it seems you believe in some sort of single international conglomerate? Is this what you are advocating?


My man, The pat tillman death was covered up, and also you have to understand that it wasnt until it was EXPOSED that they proved it was a friendly fire death(I have CNN reports to show on that btw) and also an international conglomerate? Man I am a 20 year old journalist that lives in New York. This has nothing to do with Conglomerates, or anything of the sort. This is bigger than race, religion all that b.s. This is about the one simple ideal that you must not carry. The right to understand and obtain information my friend. Your argument is the one of a pansy that must have been raised by a politician himself. We as human beings should not be hiding things from each other. Thats why conflicts happen because someone is always being devious man.

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December 10, 2010 @ 12:23 AM
FlamingBible

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No no no no. I don't know what you're trying to prove, but I did't attack you on anything. Hell, I didn't even recognize your argument in my replies. I don't care about your opinion, I am amused by your tactics of argument.

Ad hominem? I would retake that logic course, or whatever course you learned that from. I didn't do anything of the sort. I would have to attack you in some way, I would have to make an abusive statement towards your premise which I didn't even address.

A great example: "you don't know what you're talking about in regards to Wikileaks, because you're a fucking idiot," would be along the lines of an ad hominem.

All I was saying is that your example clearly made a generalization on his mention of democracy. You made a sweeping generalization. Enough said.


Naw brah. You took my democracy statement TOO LITERALLY but in fact it was a rhetorical statement. Sorry that you were too adamant in your intensity to read my commentary.

EXAMPLE OF YOUR AD HOMINEM ATTACK AS FOLLOWS:

But, you and I both know I can't convince you with anything, so lets stop while we're behind.

This baseless statement was an attack at my character; you merely confined me as an individual who is too ignorant to be changed with the statements "I can't convince you with anything".

Enough with acting ambivalent, state your opinion.
December 10, 2010 @ 12:24 AM
Knives

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I don't know what kind of person you are FlamingBible, But not wanting to know the truths in the political world is basically saying "put us in concentration camps". If I sound like some sort of radical or as you said "hippie" for wanting to know what my government is doing(besides the shit I already know) then lock me up man.

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December 10, 2010 @ 12:28 AM
FlamingBible

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Seriously brah, where do you work? I'd honestly like to know which company makes you undertake in polygraph tests and doesn't allow you to view certain websites.

There's no need to climb the ranks to find out the truth about what happens in Governments, it's our right as citizens (of which ever country we belong to) to know and if it involves releasing classified documents to keep the bastards honest, then so be it. Wikileaks might be ruining the government of the USA's reputation but it's partly their fault anyway. No one asked you guys to invade Afghanistan or Iraq but you did it anyway and your unpopularity is 100% your fault. The US basically caused the GFC due to your housing bubble bursting triggering off other problems felt worldwide.

What Wikileaks is doing, simply is revealing the truth about what is happening behind closed doors which isn't illegal and so far there is nothing that is THAT shocking although this might be different once the Banking cables get released.





I fucking lol'd IRL.


Alright, there's too much character defamation going on. You don't like America, we get it. Notice the bold, this information is classified for a reason. Like I said, this information was important to on the state level. The chess game that is played amongst world powers is nothing to be revealed. At least if you want your country to remain a superpower.
December 10, 2010 @ 12:33 AM
gnar

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Naw brah. You took my democracy statement TOO LITERALLY but in fact it was a rhetorical statement. Sorry that you were too adamant in your intensity to read my commentary.

EXAMPLE OF YOUR AD HOMINEM ATTACK AS FOLLOWS:

But, you and I both know I can't convince you with anything, so lets stop while we're behind.

This baseless statement was an attack at my character; you merely confined me as an individual who is too ignorant to be changed with the statements "I can't convince you with anything".

Enough with acting ambivalent, state your opinion.


Don't try to back off of you statement like that. Any mother fucker with an once of reason in them can see you were making a statement on his comment of democracy. That was blatant.

But, again, no. In what way did I make a comment on your character? I don't know you, only that your statements are unintelligent. But, I have seen enough of the internet that an argument via the internet doesn't go any farther than a "fuck you," and "fuck you, too." A good example is what just happened, nothing was accomplished. Point proven?

And what opinion? Should the legal limit of drinking be taken down to 18?

1. This thread isn't about that.
2. I don't find that arguing on a topic that a 15 year old does in high school for his first research paper is anything with actual substance. It's also redundant.
3. I don't care.
December 10, 2010 @ 12:34 AM
FlamingBible

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My man, The pat tillman death was covered up, and also you have to understand that it wasnt until it was EXPOSED that they proved it was a friendly fire death(I have CNN reports to show on that btw) and also an international conglomerate? Man I am a 20 year old journalist that lives in New York. This has nothing to do with Conglomerates, or anything of the sort. This is bigger than race, religion all that b.s. This is about the one simple ideal that you must not carry. The right to understand and obtain information my friend. Your argument is the one of a pansy that must have been raised by a politician himself. We as human beings should not be hiding things from each other. Thats why conflicts happen because someone is always being devious man.


You fail to touch on my question. Should countries just throw up their hands and say lets be friends, we'll form one constitution that dictates the world. One currency, one law, and one culture. Who is to lead this world? What beneficial factor are prosperous countries going to receive. You're envisioning a perfect world; sadly this world doesn't exist, nor will it unless some sort of extra-terrestial being tries to invade Earth.

Pat Tillman's death was covered up; but this wasn't an American government action. Individuals did it; look up the CID report that states HE WAS KILLED BY FRIENDLY FIRE.
December 10, 2010 @ 12:34 AM
Knives

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LOL Okay guys, I think I know why FlamingBible is defending this topic so adamantly. It's because secretly he is -





None of us hate america, but we are indeed a superpower. We also shouldn't have to hide information from the inhabitants of our own country. Wanting our country to remain a superpower is a statement with no real importance. Most of our rival countries know more about us than we know about them anyway. It's just the fact that america has the man power to topple anyone man. But back to the issue at hand. The people need to know things, it's our constitutional right dawg.

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December 10, 2010 @ 12:37 AM
gnar

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You don't like America, we get it.


You sound like Bill O'Reilly. Just because one man admits a fault on his country doesn't mean he dislikes his nation.
December 10, 2010 @ 12:38 AM
Knives

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You fail to touch on my question. Should countries just throw up their hands and say lets be friends, we'll form one constitution that dictates the world. One currency, one law, and one culture. Who is to lead this world? What beneficial factor are prosperous countries going to receive. You're envisioning a perfect world; sadly this world doesn't exist, nor will it unless some sort of extra-terrestial being tries to invade Earth.

Pat Tillman's death was covered up; but this wasn't an American government action. Individuals did it; look up the CID report that states HE WAS KILLED BY FRIENDLY FIRE.


It's impossible to live in peace, that is true. But forming a single body government is not something I stated nor ever said in anyway. I simply said that us, as U.S citizens deserve to know things. You are clearly a biased individual who was raised in a manner that is overly patriotic and not understanding. And that is very sad.

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December 10, 2010 @ 12:39 AM
Ledger

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I'm not a fan of the US but I don't hate your country; putting that aside, there is no defamation going on as all is true; please disprove me on how the US didn't cause the GFC.

I'm an Aussie, I felt the after effect here because of your country's irresponsibility.
December 10, 2010 @ 12:41 AM
FlamingBible

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Don't try to back off of you statement like that. Any mother fucker with an once of reason in them can see you were making a statement on his comment of democracy. That was blatant.

But, again, no. In what way did I make a comment on your character? I don't know you, only that your statements are unintelligent. But, I have seen enough of the internet that an argument via the internet doesn't go any farther than a "fuck you," and "fuck you, too." A good example is what just happened, nothing was accomplished. Point proven?

And what opinion? Should the legal limit of drinking be taken down to 18?

1. This thread isn't about that.
2. I don't find that arguing on a topic that a 15 year old does in high school for his first research paper is anything with actual substance. It's also redundant.
3. I don't care.


Oh boy, you seem rather flustered. My statement read:

"Let's not have a drinking age anymore since we are a democracy. How do you feel about that?"

What do the word's "let's not" entail? Syntax is important here; this statement was a response to JoeyStarks90's comments about how "free" information should be to the general public.

You state you don't care yet you've continually antagonized me to respond. You're non-chalant responses while trivial are at the point of borderline annoying unless in the future you provide YOUR thoughts.

If you truly don't care, leave this thread and don't respond.
December 10, 2010 @ 12:44 AM
FlamingBible

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You sound like Bill O'Reilly. Just because one man admits a fault on his country doesn't mean he dislikes his nation.


You're ignorant. Ledger lives in Australia. I'm a Democrat if it matters. Way to sound intelligent!!!!

Stop instigating and add something productive. Maybe a viewpoint.

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