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Is it not your belief for ideas to be first conceived?
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there can't be any evidence, by definition, proving something doesn't exist.
it's well established that you cannot prove something doesn't exist.
however, using logic and parsimony, i've come to the conclusion that there isn't a higher power (god, allah, etc.)
1. The bible was written by men.
2. it was written over a span of hundreds of years.
3. what was transcribed were often witness accounts, or even stories passed through generations, or from person to person.
4. it has been re-translated and re-written hundreds of times.
There isn't anything in the bible that can be used to explain anything once you take away it's self-affirming power (i.e. that because the bible says that the bible is true, it must be true). Try publishing a paper that attempts to prove something, and instead of data, just writing
this paper is infallible, there are no mistakes, and it is completely perfect
if you're dealing with morons, this may have a chance of working. or if you tell a child every day from a very young age that everything in this paper is 100% unquestionably true, you have a much better chance.
however, when dealing with people who DON'T believe everything they hear on self-accredited merit alone (scientists, skeptics, logical thinkers), you're going to need something else entirely to convince people. And that would be hard data and evidence, which of course, the bible is sorely lacking.
For this next part, you're going to have to accept the theory of evolution. As many users here can attest, I am well versed in this theory, and while i am somewhat more tolerant to religious people, I will not accept any ignorance in this area. If you don't accept the theory, you are either
a) uneducated, and do not fully understand what the theory attempts to explain
b) you do understand the theory, but you have an agenda that attempts to discredit it
Anyways, based on this theory, we are NOT the pinnacle of a process designed to create the perfect life form. Evolution through natural selection produces the best life form for the given environment*, and a notable by-product of this process is our acquisition of intelligence.
Using this intelligence over thousands of years, language was eventually developed, and then writing (the transcribing of knowledge into a static form, arguably the greatest collective achievement in human history).
Thanks to the Greeks, many of us have agreed with their conclusion that the universe is not completely chaotic, that it is not controlled by the whim of a god or gods, but rather, that there is an underlying order to everything. Rather than simply moving a question of how an unknown function worked a level higher (god did it) and leaving it at that, we have faith in our ability to uncover how this function works, and if with it comes other questions, so be it, we begin to work on those.
The faith in human ingenuity is the one instance of faith I do admire.
If we can keep answering questions that have been explained by the supernatural, then eventually all the power used to convince people will be gone.
Look, I'm not here to convince you. Once someone has been taught something from a very young age, it's nearly impossible to get through to them. I'm just laying out a logical conclusion based on the points above.
*why should there be a god for a life form that has only existed for a mere blink on the cosmic time-scale? If the Earth's timescale alone were to be analogized using the image of a persons arm span, humans existence could be wiped out with a single swipe of the nail filer.
Join Date: Jan 2010
beliefs are stupid
ideas are better
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Education without values makes for a cleverer devil.
golden rule pretty much
yo you gonna be at mifflin?
Really? You typed an essay on trying to disprove God and when it comes to values you say that? If people spent their time working on their morals and values rather than trying persecute Christians, America might not be in the lousy state it is right now. This nation was founded on biblical principles, Samuel Adams, James Madison were just of few of the founding fathers who were Christians, who shaped this very country, in which you can say what you want to say, around the bible. Did they get it wrong or are we as a country ruining what was once right?
Join Date: Apr 2008
Well then, HB what are your values?
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Christian values and an atheist values are pretty much the same but without the supernatural nonsense and less intolerance towards gays and non-christians.
If the only reason you adhere to a set of values is because a book tells you, that's not saying a whole lot for you as a human being.
because its right? do you do these things only to get into heaven? thats a selfish approach to life.
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but how often do atheist live it out? and for what purpose? atheism, when it boils down, is a pessimistic outlook on life. You live, you die, you rot. Why love, why forgive, why show integrity if it amounts to nothing in the future?
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but how often do atheist live it out? and for what purpose?
atheism, when it boils down, is a pessimistic outlook on life. You live, you die, you rot. Why love, why forgive, why show integrity if it amounts to nothing in the future?
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