June 21, 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Am I the only one thinking this kid sounds like a younger nas ?

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June 21, 2012 @ 08:57 PM
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pssshhhh, look I like the kid musically but he doesn't have a quarter of the originality that OF had coming out of the gate. Theres mad cliche elements through the whole project and while its enjoyable the fact of the matter is OF became as important as it did mainly due to the fact that their whole movement really was insular, NOBODY does that style like those dudes and we've seen MANY people try.

Delivery, production sound, lyricism, flow, overall vibe, at its best Odd Future really did completely set a new precedent for all of that shit and while I definitely appreciate 1999 its far from a game changer

i feel you dude, my point wasn't that 1999 was a game changer at all though. and in a way, it was, because if a kid with this much skill on the mic is getting actual mtv play now, something that didn't happen much in the past decade, it naturally raises the standards for talent and in effect, creativity. OF is creative and even though i don't like him, ill definitely admit tyler is a talented producer, but they lack a huge degree of talent and even proficiency which to anyone who is aware of simply better shit, just leaves them see through, boring, and generally forgettable. OFs creativity resting on gimmicks is a reflection of this, too, along with the fact that their recognition is fueled by hype
So woke up to MTV2 Sucker Free Countdown and this dude was on there with the number 9 video. IMO I hate these cheap imitation 90s rappers. Though I will say he can rap, I am just tired of the cliche.

Ha.

having bars, actual flow, and at least a somewhat original style completely =/= being a 90s rapper. you're getting actual hip hop confused with "90s rap", along with everyone who's said that in this thread so far. genuine self expression/culture will never be a cliche by the way.



I am pretty sure his style isn't original. His bars are okay not for me as of now. Flow is cool but nothing I will really ride. Fact remains the same him and a slew of worse rappers are riding this 90s train hard.

lol he definitely has a considerably original style, not having blatant gimmicks about him doesn't take away from the musical stilo he obviously has. and again, theres nothing 90s about him besides the fact that he can actually spit..like people in the 90s could...

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June 22, 2012 @ 02:33 AM
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dudes just makin the music that he wants to make.. its not 90's rap.. it just has simple beats instead of this crazy shit we always hear nowadays.. he has said it before, he isnt trying to recreate the 90s, but he is influenced by some 90s artists. tape was dope af.... def gotta watch out for this kid.. he finished most of those songs before he even had any hype so just think what he is capable of for his next project
June 22, 2012 @ 02:58 AM
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nothing 90s about him?



....what?
June 22, 2012 @ 03:26 AM
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nothing 90s about him?



....what?

there really isn't. im down to hear what you think is 90s about him besides him having roots in actual hip hop culture (which is definitely not limited to the 90s, it was just much more prevalent then)

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June 22, 2012 @ 03:43 AM
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Are you familiar with boom bap?
June 22, 2012 @ 03:46 AM
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boom bap is in no way limited to 90s music. really, it never even left, it just went underground.

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June 22, 2012 @ 03:51 AM
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You understand you're being ridiculous right?
June 22, 2012 @ 03:56 AM
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not at all. he just isn't a "90s" rapper in any way.

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June 22, 2012 @ 04:01 AM
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I respect opinions, but I seriously hope that no one ever takes you seriously in any form of hip hop discussion after that. That was just awful man.
June 22, 2012 @ 04:05 AM

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June 22, 2012 @ 04:05 AM
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I respect opinions, but I seriously hope that no one ever takes you seriously in any form of hip hop discussion after that. That was just awful man.

lol, there was nothing awful about it, i got short with you, i admit, but its because i've already made my points, and you're not saying shit.

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June 22, 2012 @ 04:08 AM
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not at all. he just isn't a "90s" rapper in any way.


June 22, 2012 @ 04:09 AM
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So woke up to MTV2 Sucker Free Countdown and this dude was on there with the number 9 video. IMO I hate these cheap imitation 90s rappers. Though I will say he can rap, I am just tired of the cliche.

Ha.

having bars, actual flow, and at least a somewhat original style completely =/= being a 90s rapper. you're getting actual hip hop confused with "90s rap", along with everyone who's said that in this thread so far. genuine self expression/culture will never be a cliche by the way.



I am pretty sure his style isn't original. His bars are okay not for me as of now. Flow is cool but nothing I will really ride. Fact remains the same him and a slew of worse rappers are riding this 90s train hard.

lol he definitely has a considerably original style, not having blatant gimmicks about him doesn't take away from the musical stilo he obviously has. and again, theres nothing 90s about him besides the fact that he can actually spit..like people in the 90s could...

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June 22, 2012 @ 04:11 AM
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are you fucking with me right now lol?

Did you listen to the mixtape "1999" at all?
June 22, 2012 @ 04:13 AM
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of course i did - not that you didn't already know that. the vocal style and delivery are both considerably different than 90s hip hop.

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June 22, 2012 @ 04:19 AM
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different styles of 90s hip hop -







joey bada$$ -


i'll say it again. having flow/lyricism completely =/= being 90s hip hop. call me a purist but hip hop should not be confused with a certain era.

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June 22, 2012 @ 04:20 AM
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I'm convinced you're not too familiar with 90s rap. For one, there are obvious moments throughout the tape in which Joey definitely seems to lower his voice and rap like DOOM.

Either way, I'd like you to listen to Fantastic Vol. 1 by Slum Village or even the Nasty Nas Demo Tape (pre-illmatic tracks) and tell me it doesn't sound like Joey's tape.
June 22, 2012 @ 04:24 AM
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Don't Front was as 90s as it gets man, that's some classic flow.

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June 22, 2012 @ 04:28 AM
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doom isn't 90s, and if you're talking about his KMD shit, dooms style was completely different. and by the way you just added to my point - doom is as 2000s real hip hop as it gets. joey is a product of the 2000s and 90s...obviously. everyone is. the difference is that hes a product of genuine hip hop music and culture, which, sadly, has misled a lot of people in this thread to thinking he is a "90s" rapper because of the huge amount of gold that was put out in those times thats just getting attention from these same people. eventually the 2000s underground hip hop will be getting attention too (which has already started happening, see MF Doom tumblr hype)

and you can assume i don't know anything about 90s hip hop, the precise opposite is the truth. if you want to label spitting constant musical heat as a 90s tape then go ahead, your evidence is there. the truth is that, thanks to the internet, real hip hop culture is beginning to outshine the mainstream substitute that people have been quite constantly fed with in the past decade, and therefore been blinded to any other form of it. it was only a matter of time - wisdom naturally eats away at everything fake that it addresses. sadly, others in this thread have mislabeled this second coming of truth as "90s imitation". this shit is coming back, whether you complain about it and misjudge it or not.

yes, some of these tracks definitely lacked in originality. its no classic. but the skill is there.
Don't Front was as 90s as it gets man, that's some classic flow.

and the reason its classic is because of the skill, the varying rhyme schemes, the passion in the delivery, the honesty etc. all that artistic shit. its not classic, but timeless. its not 90s, but timeless. this is HIP HOP.

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June 22, 2012 @ 04:44 AM
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doom isn't 90s, and if you're talking about his KMD shit, dooms style was completely different. and by the way you just added to my point - doom is as 2000s real hip hop as it gets. joey is a product of the 2000s and 90s...obviously. everyone is. the difference is that hes a product of genuine hip hop music and culture, which, sadly, has misled a lot of people in this thread to thinking he is a "90s" rapper because of the huge amount of gold that was put out in those times thats just getting attention from these same people. eventually the 2000s underground hip hop will be getting attention too (which has already started happening, see MF Doom tumblr hype)

and you can assume i don't know anything about 90s hip hop, the precise opposite is the truth.


I feel like you're trying too hard right now man.
Genuine hip hop music and culture? The fuck is that?
2000s underground hip hop will be getting attention? Like it hasn't already?
You know about 90s hip hop but can't comprehend why people are reminded of 90s hip hop when they listen to Joey Bada$$? You sure??

You're saying Doom is as 2000s as it can get..... but how about Operation Doomsday? Now before you go on and tell me some nitpicky shit like "it was released in 99, that's basically 2000s!," tell me who was popular in '99. Doom's first album has a distinct 90s NYC sound that other artists at that time didn't have. So no, while there is an argument to be made about his future works with Madlib and Danger mouse, you can't tell me Doom doesn't have a 90s sound to him, at least in his early works.
June 22, 2012 @ 04:49 AM
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i don't "nitpick", which is exactly what you'd see that you're actually doing if you were seeing the big picture. i never said he wasn't influenced by the 90s, i actually said the opposite. all hip hop heads are. you're missing almost all of my points, that, if you did understand, you would have the big picture.

"2000s underground hip hop will be getting attention? Like it hasn't already?"
lol what the fuck? did you not read my post??

i don't like to argue about shit like this, especially because most people will eventually understand the big picture when the real takes over the game again. and you obviously know the real. so i have no reason to argue with you anyways, you'll understand what ive been saying soon enough.

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June 22, 2012 @ 04:49 AM
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Holy shit man, for a hip hop elitist, I can't believe it's so hard for you to embrace the fact that Joey's music is definitely reminiscent of the 90s. His style just screams boom bap which, no matter how you want to look at it, is very much a distinctly 90s sound.
June 22, 2012 @ 04:53 AM
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i completely agree with you that he has 90s influence. honestly, i gotta take back what i said earlier about boom bap, even though its true, i see how that led you to misconceiving my point. im just trying to say he shouldn't be subject to being labeled a 90s rapper. and thats what my points have been about, not completely differentiating him from the 90s.

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June 22, 2012 @ 03:19 PM
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he's kinda boring and he's prolly one of dem occupy wall street f4gg0ts. any1 else caught the "marijuana sedatives got me thinking i should put a bomb where the senate is" line in his mixtape?

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June 25, 2012 @ 07:48 AM
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he's kinda boring and he's prolly one of dem occupy wall street f4gg0ts. any1 else caught the "marijuana sedatives got me thinking i should put a bomb where the senate is" line in his mixtape?
he's just anti government lol? that was just retarded.
June 26, 2012 @ 01:52 AM
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June 26, 2012 @ 04:45 AM
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Shit is too dope. Wow. I fucks with this.

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June 26, 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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Shit is too dope. Wow. I fucks with this.


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June 26, 2012 @ 06:41 AM
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Every song sounded like it would have fit in on Juvenile Hell or The Infamous. "90s" is an apt descriptor for this tape.

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