Am i the only one who thinks Lupe aint "all that," ?"

August 30, 2006 @ 10:37 AM
Mr.C

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If you haven't heard of any of these people before and you're from Chicago then I don't know what to say to you.


Do yourself and buy Mass Hysteria "Chicago Underworld" Volume 1 and 2.....feat songs from Mass Hysteria, Juice, Bump J. etc. Some exclsuves and some hot joints like Lupe's "Lupe the Killer". Production from Dug Infinite, Sc, Da Molemen, Dj Presyce and your's truly.


naw i havven't heard of em i heard of juice though. but that's crazy to say some shit like that. you need to peep his lyrics and you'll feel differently.i felt differently before i came upon this thread
August 30, 2006 @ 10:42 AM
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I didn't just find out about Lupe. Prime was telling me about Fiasco 2 years ago. He played me cuts about a year and a half ago. Like I said..I think Lupe is dope. But he's not on that innercity, gutta, secreat society level like when you hear Nas' "Theif's Theme", or Common's "Ressurection. Know what I mean?

BTW, here's Mass Hysteria's Myspace, enjoy.

ttp://www.myspace.com/5690346
August 30, 2006 @ 10:49 AM
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they sound new york as hell
August 30, 2006 @ 10:52 AM
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they black stones?
August 30, 2006 @ 10:58 AM
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i ain't feelin them they sound like they wanna be from new york

this is why this song was made

cwalmob.com/
go to media in the music section you'll see it
August 30, 2006 @ 12:36 PM
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They sound New York? Huh? Who in New York do they sound like????????????????????????????????
August 30, 2006 @ 12:46 PM
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I'm sorry but I'm not seeing what song you're trying to hip me to. But if you're trying to tell me that West side Chicago shit is the defining sound of Chicago you need to leave your house once in awhile. No I.D., Dug Infinite, Andy C, Gravity....not even going into all the underground artists like Molemen, All Natural, etc....All those dudes are and were the nationaly regonized faces of Chicago Hip Hop. And yeah, I didn't forget to mention Tongue Twista...but Twista was rhyming over Jazz beats with "Mr. Tongue Twista"...that's Ny homeboy. And sorry but NY dudes coming to Chicago helped define a lot of Chicago sound. The beatnuts were coming here in the early 90s to go digging with Dug and No I.D...they took aspects of their style and put a Chicago twist on it.

There's a difference between having a defining sound and a bunch of dudes mimmicking Spotknot mobsters...I like Traxsta..but No ID's work on Ressurection was more a defining moment for Chicago production and the Chicago sound nationaly then all of Twista's albums (and I like Adrenalin Rush).

And let's not get it twisted. I love West side Chicago shit. But it's only one aspect to this city.
August 30, 2006 @ 01:38 PM
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i'm from the southside dude.but this ain't southside music this is new york music. *****s don't say yo in the chi.these *****s have new york voices and even dress like there from new york. this ain't southside music. i fucks wit bump j sly poloroid alot of *****s from the southside cap1. these *****s don't sound shit like chicago. they sound like new york.

there is no defining sound. but i know one thing.that shit sounds like new york.

twista is far from new york dude has a grill and talks kinda country.

i didn't hear anything chicago about it. it seems like they even totally replaced chicago slang with new york.

i'm not feelin them.

who do they sound like? they sound like mobb deep and a little like nas. i hear some twalib kwali too
August 30, 2006 @ 03:05 PM
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You mess with Bump J and Sly Polaroid...but Mass Hysteria sounds like they're from NY.....but yet...you said they sound like Mobb Deep, Nas and Talib Kweli. What is even funnier is that the artist you mention have nothing in common sound wise other then being from NY. Come on. Mass Hysteria is from Hyde Park.

Bump J has always had an NY influence. And I shouldn't say "always had" cause that it would make it seem like Bump J has a long hip hop history in this city. Nope. I like some of his stuff.....but you're gonna tell me people hear "Move around" and it's somehow super chicago? Only thing Chicago defining about that song is Kanye's intro.

And Twista talking south? You started listening to Hip Hop this year? Twista has been talking the way he talks since 89 with No Peace Sign. And Twista is from the era where grills where an NY thing homeboy. It was a Slick Rick thang. Yeah, sure, the south made grills trendy again...but you gonna tell me Rza got a fang grill cause of Paul Wall? I didn't say look @ what Twista is doing now, it's what Twista was doing. And Twista was rapping over Jazz Loops...that's as NY as that Big Pun mural in the Bronx. It wasn't until Adrenalin Rush Twista and Traxsta took a different aproach..and even there he does it again with Scat Rap.

Before you try to tell me about what's Chicago and what's not you need to hip yourself to all the groups here. If we're gonna speak Southside we need to talk about Ill Nature (Gutta, Chaos,), Section 8 Kids (Sham God "Danny S") Andy C, SC (Ghost produced Havok's beat for Game on the Documentary), and Dug Infinite and No I.D.
August 30, 2006 @ 03:07 PM
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p.s.

if you don't feel them it's all good. we all have different tastes. my debate is that what is the defining chicago sound..there is none. and it's damn sure isn't bump j.
August 30, 2006 @ 06:11 PM
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You mess with Bump J and Sly Polaroid...but Mass Hysteria sounds like they're from NY.....but yet...you said they sound like Mobb Deep, Nas and Talib Kweli. What is even funnier is that the artist you mention have nothing in common sound wise other then being from NY. Come on. Mass Hysteria is from Hyde Park.

Bump J has always had an NY influence. And I shouldn't say "always had" cause that it would make it seem like Bump J has a long hip hop history in this city. Nope. I like some of his stuff.....but you're gonna tell me people hear "Move around" and it's somehow super chicago? Only thing Chicago defining about that song is Kanye's intro.

And Twista talking south? You started listening to Hip Hop this year? Twista has been talking the way he talks since 89 with No Peace Sign. And Twista is from the era where grills where an NY thing homeboy. It was a Slick Rick thang. Yeah, sure, the south made grills trendy again...but you gonna tell me Rza got a fang grill cause of Paul Wall? I didn't say look @ what Twista is doing now, it's what Twista was doing. And Twista was rapping over Jazz Loops...that's as NY as that Big Pun mural in the Bronx. It wasn't until Adrenalin Rush Twista and Traxsta took a different aproach..and even there he does it again with Scat Rap.

Before you try to tell me about what's Chicago and what's not you need to hip yourself to all the groups here. If we're gonna speak Southside we need to talk about Ill Nature (Gutta, Chaos,), Section 8 Kids (Sham God "Danny S") Andy C, SC (Ghost produced Havok's beat for Game on the Documentary), and Dug Infinite and No I.D.



have you even bought adrenanile rush lmao. new york my ass.move around is not a new york sound.in case you didn't know the chicago sound is a soulful melodic sound kinda like move around. and his other single pushaman.

And Twista was rapping over Jazz Loops<-------what this rap group does

case closed

And Twista was rapping over Jazz Loops that's
August 30, 2006 @ 06:33 PM
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Huh? That didn't even make sense. Kanye who did both Move Around and Pushaman did Gravity's first album. You're gonna tell me that Gravity is Ny? Let's take it a step deeper. Kanye was taught by No I.D. and Dug Infinite who build their style from the Beatnuts(after Can I borrow a dollar....the beatnuts influence can be felt on Ressurection)

Both those singles you mentioned...Pushaman and Move Around are done by Kanye..both those singles are sample bassed and basically 2 bar loops (pushaman has a switch). Those beats could of easily been ripped the same by Cam'ron or any of the people Kanye has consistantly given beats to in the past.

And if you want one defining sound to Chicago it would actually boil down to production. It would be that southside chopping style. No I.D. and Dug birthed it, Kanye and SC took it to different levels. Kanye ripped it with "I.Z.Z.O" which sounds like that classic southside chop style (the northside has it's own style..see the molemen..still hot but different). SC keeps pushing that envelope so much I don't know what to say. It's no winder why Just Blaze signed him as a producer.

And I don't get what you're trying to say about Twista and jazz loops. Listen to his first singles....it's not too hard. And like I said Adrenalin Rush had it also. And no, I never bought Adrenalin Rush since it never saw an originol release. I did buy the bootleg @ Gramaphone(originol location) when it dropped. Though when the Suicide single dropped i was on it.

And that's a wrap
August 30, 2006 @ 06:41 PM
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i'm sorry i'm just not feelin them. reminds me of them bums on the corner you hear sayin they folks or that super dirty bum that's sellin brow on the corner.(in hyde park that is). and they DO have a very new york sound whether you say it's because they worked with whoever or anything. they DO have a new york sound and i ain't feelin them.
August 30, 2006 @ 07:48 PM
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what's funny is you keep bringing up gang shit and there's not one gang line in anything they said. but then again you said they're biting "mobd deep, nas, and talib kweli"...just add brother j to the mix and let's call it a wrap.

just keep it @ you don't like em. the rest of the stuff you're talking about don't even make sense.
August 30, 2006 @ 08:05 PM
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do you know who jeff fort is? i don't think you do
August 30, 2006 @ 10:06 PM
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You need to stop talking to me about gang bullshit since you don't know anything about Chicago hip hop.

and that's a wrap.
August 31, 2006 @ 12:58 PM
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you don't know who jeff fort is

chicago does not equal new york hip hop damn.
August 31, 2006 @ 07:26 PM
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i think he's talkin about the mc'ss aka mickey cobras a chicago gang that you've never heard of.i don't even think you understand all that shit that he said


no hes not your an idiot....

manos I dunno how you could stand argueing with this kid....

in terms of mass hysteria I like their music however I do have to say to me it has always had a somewhat ny underground feeling but like you said they have alot of connections but they would easily have fit in with the likes of brooklyn academy or the arsonists mostly in terms of vocal sound and flow and a lil bit of sound construction. none of which there is anything wrong with.


and mr. c i highly doubt you represent anything jeff fort did or stood for so stfu and stop tryin to name drop
September 1, 2006 @ 01:19 AM
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I def agree that mass hysteria has a ny influence, but it's not nas and talib. cause they don't sound like em. i just think they're influence by all the grimey 94 shit like Natural Elements. Which is what I think you mean and I would agree with.


and man..as far as arguing...sometimes your day off turns into a day of arguing on message boards. heh.
September 1, 2006 @ 01:51 AM
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i'm not arguing i'm just sayin that i wasn't feelin them
September 4, 2006 @ 05:43 PM

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i like him cause he's just a new look from all the cookie mold rappers out there..plus he talks about stuff i like....why not like a rapper who can rap and is pretty educated and raps about something other than asses and poppin' bottles...." do your chain hang low"...lmao

I agree with you
and.. he's the best role model that kids can have...
September 7, 2006 @ 12:51 PM
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"The Dude Abides" with his new single but thats as far as it goes.
I just dont............ man i dont know how to explain it, I just dont
understand his whole situation.
September 14, 2006 @ 05:37 PM

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i dont think hes all that either

i didnt like kick, push at all and i heard "i gotcha" and i thought it was stupid too ... i dont think hes all that

Neither of those songs are indicative of his overall skill.

Go listen to "Mean & Vicious". I like that alot.
September 14, 2006 @ 07:25 PM
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didnt read this whole shit , but if noone already said...

lupe is nothing new..you guys might be to yung to remember Common, Tribe called Quest, Talib, Mos Def, .... all used to do that style rap.. so yeah hes the only 1 now (if you didnt listen to commons album) but def nuthing new
September 14, 2006 @ 10:06 PM

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didnt read this whole shit , but if noone already said...

lupe is nothing new..you guys might be to yung to remember Common, Tribe called Quest, Talib, Mos Def, .... all used to do that style rap.. so yeah hes the only 1 now (if you didnt listen to commons album) but def nuthing new


tru, but you just put him the same breath as some of the greats. Thats not impressive for someone who hasn't drop an album yet...officially? lol. think about how many rappers suck compared how many are dope. the ratios gotta be at least 10:1.. Im happy cats like Lupe are getting on the radio, MTV and Bamboozled Entertainment Television(BET) its a promising sign for the futre of Hip Hop. Me personally i can appreciate any emcee that puts so much time and effort into his music......but maybe his shits not for everybody.
September 15, 2006 @ 12:25 AM
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Neither of those songs are indicative of his overall skill.

Go listen to "Mean & Vicious". I like that alot.


That is a true story. Also "Lupe the Killer" is a slumper in my eyes. But then again as all of us know ever so well -- we all have our own opinions.
September 15, 2006 @ 02:08 AM
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honestly like 1/3 of his tracks are major ill with it but there are some cuts that are wack. however, lupe does talk about things many rappers today don't and he focuses more on it wit creativity it aint about BS. to end on a real note id say lupe got serious potential to develop into somethin big. just as long as he dont gets caught up in the hype and so far he been maintainin doin his thing so i support lupe.

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September 15, 2006 @ 10:55 AM
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The other thing is that all Lupe is discussing really is morality. There's no history explained on any of the subjects he's going over. That's why his diamonds are forever remix was so good. What Lupe couldn't do in a full album Ras Kass did with Nature Of the Threat.

We all understand morality. And morality is subjective. I don't need someone to tell me "there's a lack of morality in music". The second time around it would be good to see Lupe go further into a line past "israeli occupation, islamic martydom". Naw mean?

I still play the album. And I'm gonna cop it on the 19th!
September 15, 2006 @ 03:49 PM
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^daym son sounds like hiphop philosophy 101 class topic

San Francisco, CA findme.

September 15, 2006 @ 06:07 PM
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Quickstriker said it best, but I
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