Am i the only one who thinks Lupe aint "all that," ?"

Yeah I think it is preference. I just don't like songs or rappers that bombard you with nonsensicle metaphores just to sound clever and shit. I like rappers to be clever but also talk about some shit. Formulate a story or incorporate humor, paint a picture with words, something other than tricky medaphores just to sound clever.

Lupe does all of d above, if u cant c that then...
like i said before...i jus think Lupe's 2 deep & different for some
but all lyrics aside i think we can all agree that he rides every beat nicely >

"[SIZE="4"]I had to dumb down my lyrics to double my dollars" and then when I head Lupe say I aint dumbin down nothin, it really made that connection. "[/SIZE]

I feel the same..Hip-Hop is almost a wrap and folks like Lupe aren't doing much to help it. But I guess I can see why a certain group might like him..

Oh, and if he's so against alcohol why is his album called "food & Liquor"?

Later

that quote right there ends the arguement...

im not going to debate anymore// tthe pioint that you've just made makes exact sense about why you cant feel Lupe. oldschool hiphop shit is great. but you have to realize, NWA, Big Daddy Kane, Grand Puba(although not as much as the first 2 stated), etc. were 1st generation shit. shit evolves each generation. im not stackin Lupe up to any of the forementioned but lyrics have definitely grown since fomr then...

look at some of Ice Cube & NWA's earlier shit... the lyricsm is really easy to pick up on.. im only 20, so if you're about 25 or something i can see were you're coming from, but if you came up listening to music in '94 or '95+ plus like me you'll obvisouly see when you backtrack that hiphop(metaphors/similies/setence structure/vocabulary) has evolved over the years. and Lupe is bringing something new to the game that Hov, Ghost, Nas, etc. isnt bringing right now. and thats that.

You can stop saying that now, we get it. I'm surprised Sub actually tried to continue the argument....he usually tells me I shouldnt argue with people online 'cause it's pointless.

I agree with you on this one. It amaizes me that this dude gets the amount of press that he does. He's mediocre but you gotta understand that Kanye's camp has a flock of sheep following their every move. Whatever they do is considered golden. |0

Lupe isn't saying that there's stores called Food and Liquer...He's saying one is good and one is positive. Generally Liquer stores are Liquer stores in Chicago..we don't have anything close to bodegas.


As far as people not getting Lupe cause he's so "deep". It's not that. It's not that Lupe is above people's heads. Lupe isn't Chomsky, Hawkings, and he's certainly not Focault. Sure he says some witty things...but let's be real here. I personally think Lupe is dope. But a lot of people don't feel him because of various reasons and I dont think it's because they don't get him. Like I have a friend who doesn't feel Lupe cause while Lupe may have a ton of flows he's not a fan of his voice and tone. You might laugh @ that but this is music first and message second. If it was the other way around then we would be discussing speech giving.

Other people feel that he can't make one street joint. The closest I think he ever came was Hustler's Song and In the mind of Lupe..more the prior then the later. The complaint isn't that it's not discussing street culture but it doesn't sound gritty. Like Nas' "No Ideas Originol" is saying something but it feel like it's coming from a gutter, an alleyway...and end of the day that's a defining sound of the culture.




Btw...Brian..I'm still waiting for your list of 12 mcs who would take out Lupe in Chicago.

It's not like Nas is making music about shooting people. When I say street music is it has an edge of grittiness to it. Even Tribe has it. The two songs I chose to use as examples for Lupe arn't talking about shooting peeople up..they're just to closest I feel to that grit. But if I want to show another example..Jeru Da Damaja's "Come Clean" is a street record. Or X Clan's whole discrophy. Common's Ressurection has it also. It's just something lacking from the sound of Lupe's music( not saying anything about dude's life..i don't know anything about that and it has nothing to do with what i'm talking about).

i cant understand why people accept so-called "street" music......i thought shit that went against the grain was "street" but everybody is conforming to the industry and making that same "gangsta" music. i always thought lupe was street concious

i agree. you dont have to talking about bussing guns and selling crack to be street. not everybody in the hood is a hustla. i think alot of people listen to "gangsta" or "street" rap because for many its a fantasy about a lifestyle they will never live...sorta like watching an action movie. IMO the street shit is cool if its incoperated with clever wordplay and skills the way cats like Jay, Nas, Big, Pun and Kiss do it because at the end of the day emceeing still and artform. Lupe may not have that grit to his music but it doesnt means he's not a dope lyrisist, thats just not his style.

you guys like lupe a lil too much....what happened kanye's d!ck wasn't big enough to suck on for all these years


not in reference to ur comment dum lol ;P

Hes fine, nothing special. If he didnt talk about skateboarding or wear what he wears would anyone care about him?

1. The dumbest comment I read so far on here is "that people think hip hop is about the beats and the rhymes second". ACTUALLY THAT IS WHAT HIP HOP IS. Hip Hop is music to Hop to for those who are Hip. All rappers were were damn hype men...listen to all the early records with rappers on there..it's party raps. And man...Hip Hop was 2 copies of Rufus Thomas "Breakdown" with people dancing. Hip Hop is and was dance music. Sure it evolved...but don't make the aspect you identify with what Hip Hop is and was. Cause I don't even want to go into the history of late 70's and 80;s rappers flossing.

2. When I say Grit I mean that innercity feel that made you feel like those records belong to an underworld society. All the Native Tongues had that feel. Common's ressurection was made and catered for a certain audience. He wasn't trying to reach out to this group or that group. The groups mention just made the music and people came to them. To me Lupe's music
is kind of would be accepted b the same crowd who would the Dangerdoom Album(which i don't consider a bad album). Maybe it's intentional or not.


Let's not make it an all or nothing debate. Cause I'm not saying I don't like Lupe. He's dope. It's just music has gray area even in the aspects or like and dislike.