August 22, 2009 @ 02:27 AM
graffkidgetsup

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Bow Wow is a joke in Hip Hop culture....

That is not an exxageration or an opinion. it is a fact. I'm not "hating" or "jocking". Seriously, consider for a second what i have to say.

In hip hop, first impression are EVERYTHING! Here are some examples..

Kanye entered the game as an innovator, and someone who goes against the stereotypical hip hop grain. He's always been seen that way. And to this day, he's looked at like, even when he's not doing something that innovative (ie, making an entire album using autotune...) hmm? Now not to downplay Ye's innovations. But its undeniable that using autotune for an entire album goes against his "rebellious, innovative" first impression and yet....

50 Cent entered the game trying to "Get Rich or Die Trying" but now, He "Got Rich and Stopped Trying" But some people still regard him as relevant...and I don't know why.

Common came in as "conscious" and people won't let him shed that image. His Last album was great, sonically, and fun! but because it was "boom bap" No one wanted to hear it...

I'm not here to duck Bow's work ethic or talent. I heard his verse over brown paper bag. It was decent. It's his image among hip hop heads that I'm addressing..

With this said, Bow Wow came into the game as "Lil" Bow Wow. A kid. He rapped about basket ball and girls wishing they were 14 so they could date him. Not that you can expect more from him at that age. the problem is that We can't forget that. It's like the whole hip hop community has access to his baby pictures of him naked in the bathtub playing with a gumby toy....and we can't erase that image because we're a first impression community.

Now...It's not impossible for him to erase that, but he has to WORK! Now, lets do some wikipedia research...

Wanted was released in 2005. Its first single was "Let Me Hold You",...

In 2006, The Price of Fame was released with the lead single "Shortie Like Mine",...

Bow Wow and Omarion released a collaborative album on December 11, 2007, Face Off. The first single was "Girlfriend"...

New Jack City II, his sixth album, was released in March 2009 .....The first official single, "You Can Get It All" featuring Johnta Austin, samples TLC's "Baby-Baby-Baby...


Notice a trend? Shad Gregory Moss (which i saw in my 3 minute wikipedia reseach...haha gregory.) talks about...NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN EXPECTED. Now one may say, "YOU PROBABLY HAVENT LISTENED TO HIS WHOLE ALBUM" the answer to that is "OF COURSE NOT" Look at his singles...they're not directed toward the hip hop community, or me, so why would i buy the album. Give a HIP HOP a reason to buy or at least even ilegally download you stuff so we can RESPECT YOU!!!! I'm not saying for him not to talk about what he wants, I'm just giving a reason for his reputation.

If Bow eexpects this Cash Money deal to make him relevant, he better work to shed his kiddie image....I'm talking only leaving the studio to eat and piss. Not to stay on twitter, and posting random, useless videos constantly, because Jay didnt get his rep like that, Wayne didnt get his rep like that, Wale, and the rest of the freshmen 10 (even charles hamilton, the internet-oversaturation-guru)didnt make their reps that way. And that's why people take them seriouly. Bow should slow down the non music related stuff and start making real, relevant, TIMELESS, classic music as he has yet to do. now I'll give him this, that last song "Regret" was a step in the right direction. Seriously, good real lyrics. No jive, but he'll have to be that good and better CONSISTENTLY to no longer be HipHop's punchline...

rant over.
August 22, 2009 @ 03:23 AM
yungm

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Bow Wow is gay.
August 22, 2009 @ 03:26 AM
Orpami

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You're right...but who gives a damn about Bow Wow let him make his money in peace. He is what he is and isn't gonna change anytime soon.
August 22, 2009 @ 06:59 AM
Shaun

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His rep is non-existent, been to shit for to long. His image is perma fucked up to this point. His only chance would be to peace out for a few years & comeback with totally different producers after gaining knowledge from other genres.
August 22, 2009 @ 07:04 AM
Yom

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Bow Wow is gay.


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www.nagoyayom.com

August 22, 2009 @ 07:32 AM

Inactive

You are passionate about Shad Moss'career.
August 22, 2009 @ 11:24 AM
VADO-U.N.

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lol at solo's comment...but shits the truth
August 22, 2009 @ 11:43 AM
modernART

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if bow wow grew up in a different era, he'd be a beast..
August 22, 2009 @ 12:12 PM
curtis50cent

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well..the dude gets more chicks than us and drives a murci ( i got one too)...im sure hes doing just fine.|0
August 22, 2009 @ 12:39 PM
Real_City_Jon

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You are passionate about Shad Moss'career.

lol
August 22, 2009 @ 12:45 PM
OneEyeWilly

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he makes songs for the bitches because thats who he markets too. noone says hes tryna be the next best lyricist in the game. Your only rappers in comparison are Common, Kanye, and 50 cent? Wtf. Who said he wants to shed his image in the first place? Stop jockin him with essays. Who cares cause at the end of the day hes a fucking faggot
August 22, 2009 @ 12:49 PM
modernART

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August 22, 2009 @ 02:22 PM
Tyrone Biggums

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^regret wasnt so bad
August 22, 2009 @ 02:31 PM
FreshAddict

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he'll forever be corny
August 22, 2009 @ 02:44 PM
RUBYRHODSOHIP

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVOewquclQk


That wasn't bad.

But, he sounds like a watered down Drake on that record.

Anywho..Bow Wow will forever be him, he is like the MJ of hip-hop excluding sales and being an actual universal artist.
August 22, 2009 @ 03:54 PM
graffkidgetsup

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...i'm not passionate about his career haha...silly me for thinking that "hip hop people" would want to look deeper into things. eh whatever.
August 22, 2009 @ 04:11 PM
yungm

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LOL. Bow Wow on that Drake swagger jack tip.
August 22, 2009 @ 04:22 PM
acolby215

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f*** this n**** crying rich as hell stick to actin ol' charlie lookin a** n****
August 23, 2009 @ 08:04 AM
Jphn-John

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hey bow wow did a show in alaska. i was there. it happend.

true story
August 23, 2009 @ 03:43 PM
Stylztk

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Cosign


indeeed
August 24, 2009 @ 11:01 AM
ᴊᴜᴀɴ

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I thought he was done with rap and was strictly an "Actor" now??

Fuck Trey Songs

August 24, 2009 @ 12:10 PM
Food

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what about drake? i'm just curious, since he started in degrassi.
August 24, 2009 @ 02:04 PM
mYslead

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Drake made the right moves ...
nobody wanted to hear about him when he was hanging around with Trey Songz, but as soon as he made it to Weezy, it was all set and done.
August 24, 2009 @ 06:17 PM
DaveThe5'3"

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Hey man give bow wow credit...dudes a corn ball yeah, no doubt and yeah you wasted your time posting about a rapper not relevant in anyway even among his record label mates but he made his name at a young age during a time when there was not heavy internet guerillaness going on. This morning I had this though I'm about to convey and I'm glad I came across this post because it is related.

All the new cats have the benefit of this internet shit at their finger tips and it helps them out way more than anything could ever have helped out a rapper 10+ years ago. These kids do not need to grind as hard has their predecesors. Instead of having to get their shit heard by grinding hard in the streets and trying to be at the right places to get heard they can just send that shit out on myspace and hope it catches on. There's not really that much to do except maybe a show here and there. The new guys can gain a following quicker than anyone before. I dont feel like more than 75% of these new kids would be heard if it was for the net. I do not think they have what it takes to grind and fight it out from the very bottom. The net is a step stool so they have it way easier. 10 years ago these rappers would be no more than hometown sensations. If guys from way back would have had the internet as a means of marketing themselves then they would have been bigger than they were. The scene might be very different if that was the case.

New rappers owe their success to YOUTUBE, MYSPACE, and the countless message boards that spread their music instantaneously allowing people who would otherwise never hear their shit a chance to hear them.
August 25, 2009 @ 11:55 AM
Da Jacques

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Why are you making a thread about Bow Wow? No one cares about him.
August 27, 2009 @ 12:55 AM
graffkidgetsup

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Hey man give bow wow credit...dudes a corn ball yeah, no doubt and yeah you wasted your time posting about a rapper not relevant in anyway even among his record label mates but he made his name at a young age during a time when there was not heavy internet guerillaness going on. This morning I had this though I'm about to convey and I'm glad I came across this post because it is related.

All the new cats have the benefit of this internet shit at their finger tips and it helps them out way more than anything could ever have helped out a rapper 10+ years ago. These kids do not need to grind as hard has their predecesors. Instead of having to get their shit heard by grinding hard in the streets and trying to be at the right places to get heard they can just send that shit out on myspace and hope it catches on. There's not really that much to do except maybe a show here and there. The new guys can gain a following quicker than anyone before. I dont feel like more than 75% of these new kids would be heard if it was for the net. I do not think they have what it takes to grind and fight it out from the very bottom. The net is a step stool so they have it way easier. 10 years ago these rappers would be no more than hometown sensations. If guys from way back would have had the internet as a means of marketing themselves then they would have been bigger than they were. The scene might be very different if that was the case.

New rappers owe their success to YOUTUBE, MYSPACE, and the countless message boards that spread their music instantaneously allowing people who would otherwise never hear their shit a chance to hear them.


while this is completely irrelevant to the tpoic...it does rais a different issue... I think i'll get anylitical, delve deeper into the topic, and be riddiculed for doing so....but first, stats.
There are 2,534,305 myspace pages clasified under "Rap"
There are 2,682,753 Myspace pages classified under "Hip Hop"
Not to mention how many rappers classify themselves under other genres to appear "ecclectic"

You think that makes things easier? Addmitingly it's easier to get "heard" But literally thousands of times harder to get "listened" to. To get shine nowadays? When theres over five MILLION rappers? Statistically 5,499,854 of them will most likely SUCK so that just makes it harder not to be immediately written off as one who doesnt suck.

Do you realize how hard it is to get a "good deal"?

What did Wale have to do before getting signed? A European tour. 2 classic Hall of Fame Mixtapes. A Lil Wayne Feature? iTunes #1 download.

What did Kid Cudi do before he got signed? Another classic Hall of Fame mixtape (which KANYE WEST comes to the release party for). Three "Best of Mixtapes" hosted by third party DJ's. A #1 record on EUROPEAN top 100.

What did Drake do before he got signed? TONS of Lil Wayne features. A classic mixtape. Management by Gee Roberson. A number one record. Radio placements off mixtape tracks.

There arent small feats. Nowadays, We (I say "we" because I am also an "internet artist")have to do what a signed artist used to get paid to do...on our own budget/time/buzz, to get signed. Imagine having to go to school, get a doctorate, and work as a surgeon for years, do all the things a surgeon has to do, gaining a reputation in your community to where people perfer you for their surgeries, and THEN you start getting paid...

The game is changing and it's not easier. Labels don't cultivate artists anymore. You have to have your own "movement" going before a label's signing you.

That was interesting ad deep...i think i'll post this as a new topic.
August 27, 2009 @ 02:08 AM
havok...

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wow...this thread actually exists...
August 27, 2009 @ 07:12 PM
DaveThe5'3"

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while this is completely irrelevant to the tpoic...it does rais a different issue... I think i'll get anylitical, delve deeper into the topic, and be riddiculed for doing so....but first, stats.
There are 2,534,305 myspace pages clasified under "Rap"
There are 2,682,753 Myspace pages classified under "Hip Hop"
Not to mention how many rappers classify themselves under other genres to appear "ecclectic"

You think that makes things easier? Addmitingly it's easier to get "heard" But literally thousands of times harder to get "listened" to. To get shine nowadays? When theres over five MILLION rappers? Statistically 5,499,854 of them will most likely SUCK so that just makes it harder not to be immediately written off as one who doesnt suck.

Do you realize how hard it is to get a "good deal"?

What did Wale have to do before getting signed? A European tour. 2 classic Hall of Fame Mixtapes. A Lil Wayne Feature? iTunes #1 download.

What did Kid Cudi do before he got signed? Another classic Hall of Fame mixtape (which KANYE WEST comes to the release party for). Three "Best of Mixtapes" hosted by third party DJ's. A #1 record on EUROPEAN top 100.

What did Drake do before he got signed? TONS of Lil Wayne features. A classic mixtape. Management by Gee Roberson. A number one record. Radio placements off mixtape tracks.

There arent small feats. Nowadays, We (I say "we" because I am also an "internet artist")have to do what a signed artist used to get paid to do...on our own budget/time/buzz, to get signed. Imagine having to go to school, get a doctorate, and work as a surgeon for years, do all the things a surgeon has to do, gaining a reputation in your community to where people perfer you for their surgeries, and THEN you start getting paid...

The game is changing and it's not easier. Labels don't cultivate artists anymore. You have to have your own "movement" going before a label's signing you.

That was interesting ad deep...i think i'll post this as a new topic.


If drakes not on degrassi he falls by the wayside. In any event internet rappers could not make it grinding the way it had to be done before it swtiched to the internet. Grinding in the streets and trying to get heard from that level was and is harder. People had to have movements back then but you never seen them being played out because there was no net to let people from Miami in on what was poppin in Compton. Guys dont sell from the back of their trunk to a select few, they sell on itunes which is globally accessible. How many albums and mixtapes could drake, cudi, and wale sell without the net?
August 29, 2009 @ 12:04 AM
graffkidgetsup

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hmmm..
Yeah, I could see your argument. I think things today are just different, maybe not harder. There's just a different array of things to be aware of. I would say getting radio play was easier back pre-net, but forming movements was a lot harder back then. And now-a-days forming a movement is easy, but perpetuating the act is where many fall short. The internet has shortened attention spans drastically. You gotta make sure your stuff is great right now.
August 29, 2009 @ 12:12 AM
Jphn-John

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this reminds me of Notorious

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