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October 11, 2012 @ 11:54 PM
john0966

Post: 251

Join Date: Aug 2012

Location: Pennsylvania

@blackcampmarket I dig all the previews you put up. I'm excited to see more!

Shoes n shit http://hypebeast.com/forums/sneakers/forum/topic/187366/ http://hypebeast.com/forums/sneakers/181940/?topic_page=1#post-3725825

October 12, 2012 @ 12:09 AM

Inactive

Will put some pictures of some more of the fabrics we are thinking of using. Does anyone know how much fabric is approximately needed to make 10 hats, just to cover the crown?

www.blackcampmarket.com | www.facebook.com/blackcampmarket

October 12, 2012 @ 12:44 AM
magmar

Post: 496

Join Date: Jun 2012

Location: Vancouver, BC

Will put some pictures of some more of the fabrics we are thinking of using. Does anyone know how much fabric is approximately needed to make 10 hats, just to cover the crown?


about 1 1/2 yards. 1 yard makes about 7 crowns.

my $0.02 on the online vs. hand sourcing fabrics. I've been to fabric stores and browsed online for fabrics. Most of the prints I was interested in the fabric stores I can easily get the exact same one online but cheaper so why not? Sure you can find some vintage stuff in fabric stores that you can't find online but that goes the other way around too. Anyone can look at some of Moupia's hats and google the fabric they use and be like "pshh, it's so easy to find that fabric!" and somehow people see it as less "rare" or high quality, but Moupia is the one that decided to put that print on a hat, they're the ones that had that idea and without that, people wouldn't be googling "polar bear fabric" or whatever to find that.
October 12, 2012 @ 12:49 AM
spenc

Post: 1424

Join Date: Nov 2011

Location: Canada



http://www.raisedbywolves.ca/shop.html

not gonna lie for just basic color camp caps I think 60 bucks is a bit over priced if you ask me.


Free shipping though, so I feel that it is worth it. So really they'd be $45-50 caps. PLUS they make the best fitting caps I've ever tried. Plusx2 they are a Canadian brand, so gotta support RBW.

ya i suppose, just wish they were a bit more unique
October 12, 2012 @ 12:53 AM
spenc

Post: 1424

Join Date: Nov 2011

Location: Canada

Hey guys just kinda spitballing lately possible thinking about making a small run of camps. anyways.. I know this might sound annoying but does anyone know contacts for any good manufacturers I could get into touch with? Also does anyone have any tips for a new guy in the game?

Thanks and help would be much appreciated!! smile smile
October 12, 2012 @ 12:55 AM
chads

Post: 1485

Join Date: Dec 2011

Location: Vermont

@blackcampmarket
Sure, these fabric haven't been used on any existing caps but if you are under the impression that these are original then I would have to say you are sadly mistaken. Regardless if they are different fabrics, it still follows the same current theme/trend that is animals and outdoorsy prints. Now I'm not even remotely trying to tell you not to produce these because I know you will and already have gotten praise from the same trend whores who frequent this thread and in addition I bet you will sell out of them and all will be grand for you. My point is merely that these are not original and that using different animals doesn't make it original.

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October 12, 2012 @ 01:03 AM
jetageoflotus

Post: 853

Join Date: Jul 2012

I´m sorry to say what I´m gonna say, but this is what I think.
Are "crazy" 5-panels "in" yes (you guys have actually created a trend) so, soon you´ll see them more and more untill they burn, and then we will go back to normal.
Are camp caps original? No, not anymore. They were 2 years ago, even 1 year ago. it is soo easy to go and look for fabrics online, and put a matching korduroy or suede peak on it . Every drop I am seeing this days, like the just anounced Moupia animal series uses this formula. I have seen those fabrics already and have browsed trough different fabric retailers.

I still think camps are cool because they are light, they offer good transpiration to the head, and they also have a beautiful shape. There are a lot of cool brands, yes… but they drop only 20 per style each time, and that is nothing for a big market as big as the world.
Thats why they sell so fast. Watch out! Because one day the steep curve of demand will fall down so fast… and it is gonna be a heavy fall. That is why nobody make big amounts of hats. When will this happen? Nobody knows.
Buy a 5-panel because you love them, not because they are "so original" or to resell it again ( that practice is called specullation, by the way) Do not care if others have it or if it is fashion or not. Wear it proud because you like this hats, because you like the colors and because you want to do it.

Who would´t like to create beutiful hats like this.Why not?
The word is born.


word dude.
im new to these hats you could say... i got into them like a year or more ago and i seriously prefer these over any kind of hats, i never wore hats until these. the shape and how they fit is so comfy. Not only that but i love art and some of these hats are really artistic in my view. First hat i got was ONLY NY evergreen cord..wore it eeerrrday . Once all the hype goes down (soon hopefully) ill still for sure be buying these.

One in the chamber, 32 in the clip.

October 12, 2012 @ 01:12 AM
InformalApparel

Post: 422

Join Date: Jul 2012

Location: Denver, CO

@blackcampmarket that dinosaur and penguins ones fit in a little more to other companies styles than i thought they would, but these ones are great and fit my style. As for the rest, they are all well-thought of as well and great pieces, just not my style. As for the name Amphorus, I am not too sure what that even means (if anything as I think you made it up), but it is creative and original, not playing off other english words or using something conventional, instead being different. I am getting a little over the hats with patterned crowns and a different plain brim, I feel companies should start to sort it up a little, like dramamine did recently (not sayin their choice of leather top/suede underbrim was good, but maybe having a color that matches the majority of the crown on the bottom with a contrasting top bill, or vice versa with the top and bottom. I also want to see some more experimentation with materials on the crown (like thick cords/denims/felts/velvets/flannels/nylons/fleeces etc etc), just slightly different materials with simple patterns or solid colors, still having interesting brims. It seems to me (and I say to me because you all might have different opinions) that companies/people either give up nice material for a pattern, or they give up on pattern for a nice material (and I mean for the whole hat, if they have pattern on one part I feel they skip material on the whole thing besides the stereotypical suede, or if they have material on some they forget pattern). I would really like to see people putting more creativity into both aspects for hats, instead of just one of the two..... I hope you all understand me. But also I would like to see people experiment a bit more with the crown materials of hats if they do a patterned brim and plain color crown, instead of having the standard cotton canvas or twills etc. Im just interested in material variety a lot as well as pattern, so like thick cords or denims or velvet or flannels etc as the crown with a patterned (nice cotton or suede or tweed or cord etc again) brim.

Feedback on my thoughts from anyone would be appreciated, to see if anyone else is thinking a long my lines

http://hypebeast.com/forums/apparel/198218 - Some Supreme and The Quiet Life FS (PM for all my others not listed)

October 12, 2012 @ 01:35 AM

Inactive

Will put some pictures of some more of the fabrics we are thinking of using. Does anyone know how much fabric is approximately needed to make 10 hats, just to cover the crown?


about 1 1/2 yards. 1 yard makes about 7 crowns.

my $0.02 on the online vs. hand sourcing fabrics. I've been to fabric stores and browsed online for fabrics. Most of the prints I was interested in the fabric stores I can easily get the exact same one online but cheaper so why not? Sure you can find some vintage stuff in fabric stores that you can't find online but that goes the other way around too. Anyone can look at some of Moupia's hats and google the fabric they use and be like "pshh, it's so easy to find that fabric!" and somehow people see it as less "rare" or high quality, but Moupia is the one that decided to put that print on a hat, they're the ones that had that idea and without that, people wouldn't be googling "polar bear fabric" or whatever to find that.


Thats more than $0.02, you got it spot on in my opinion. And thanks for the help, I was going to contact you direct as I know you've been through the process. Don't know why but I was under the impression a yard of fabric made 2 crowns. Thanks for the info.

www.blackcampmarket.com | www.facebook.com/blackcampmarket

October 12, 2012 @ 01:38 AM

Inactive

@chadacadabra Each to their own, you obviously don't but some may find it unique. I see where your coming from though, if you step back it's just another animal print or whatever but lets face it, thats what's in at the moment and as much as I'd like to, I'm not looking to start a new trend, I'm just looking for a successful brand that's going to bring in some extra cash.

www.blackcampmarket.com | www.facebook.com/blackcampmarket

October 12, 2012 @ 01:40 AM
somekindof

Post: 50

Join Date: Jul 2012

@mbad5669 i completely agree on the material part. i've got an idea for something that's pretty unique, but i'll have to wait 9 months to realize it since i'm on an exchange project..
October 12, 2012 @ 02:07 AM
chads

Post: 1485

Join Date: Dec 2011

Location: Vermont

@chadacadabra Each to their own, you obviously don't but some may find it unique. I see where your coming from though, if you step back it's just another animal print or whatever but lets face it, thats what's in at the moment and as much as I'd like to, I'm not looking to start a new trend, I'm just looking for a successful brand that's going to bring in some extra cash.

I totally understand that which is why I acknowledged that I'm sure you will still make them because people will still buy them. Personally I'd prefer to start my own wave but I know many people lack creativity and would rather go with the flow.
But also on the point of the last line, I going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you have a little bit of passion but if you don't then I'm sorry for you. Starting a brand isn't about making a profit, its about what you have to bring to the table. The way you worded it makes it sound like you are only out to get a quick buck which is stupid but I guess do what you gotta do to pay the bills.

chadacadabra.tumblr.com

October 12, 2012 @ 02:20 AM

Inactive

No no, I worded it wrong. Of course I am passionate about the idea otherwise I wouldn't be venturing into it, if all I cared about was money I'd become a gigolo or something, fortunately I'm not that hung up on money. \

I would like to start a trend but I don't think I have the mind/creativity to do so, that's why I think it's safest to stick to the current trend as unoriginal as some may see it. I still think I can bring products within the current trend that people want to see, that aren't available on the market. I mean the idea of having my own brand and seeing my first product in my hands does excite me but I'm not going to lie, the money is in there with the reasons for doing this.

www.blackcampmarket.com | www.facebook.com/blackcampmarket

October 12, 2012 @ 02:38 AM
magmar

Post: 496

Join Date: Jun 2012

Location: Vancouver, BC

@blackcampmarket I totally understand where you're coming from man. Like myself, everything and I mean EVERYTHING moving forward for my brand relies on whether these 5 panels are a hit or not, I'm a full time student with a shitty part time minimum wage job (which basically most the money is going into this project), I've invested a lot of money (for me) in this and if it's a flop, I'm not sure how I can pick myself back up. But looking on the positive side I started this with just the idea in my head of making camps that I would wear, and that's my advice to you, make something that YOU would wear and that YOU would love, trend or no trend, if you like it, I'm sure other people will too.

ps: if anyone is wondering, I'm expecting my 5 panels to be arriving in a couple weeks or so. til then, I just released some beanies for $20 shipped worldwide if anyone wants to check it out http://brightlightssupplyco.bigcartel.com
October 12, 2012 @ 02:53 AM
trevorsanderson

Post: 270

Join Date: Mar 2012

Location: Sacramento, Ca

@mproc don't worry man it's coming. the manufacturer i'm using was having some problems but everything is all sorted out now. they should be coming pretty soon.
October 12, 2012 @ 03:59 AM
waquaxy

Post: 131

Join Date: Aug 2012

@chadacadabra Each to their own, you obviously don't but some may find it unique. I see where your coming from though, if you step back it's just another animal print or whatever but lets face it, thats what's in at the moment and as much as I'd like to, I'm not looking to start a new trend, I'm just looking for a successful brand that's going to bring in some extra cash.


^ word up. That's going to make everyone mad. The butterfly cap was sick, lemme buy the sample! Five panels have been around for like 15 years. Yr all dum. REI put out fivers like teb years ago AND they are sick as fuck. Some even with three eyelets. Where do you think the CAMP came from. Yall think camps will die or that they will it get.more popular.. That's bennnn happen fools. I feel like all those designs would do well @blackcampmarket, but sadly I know I can't get.one cuz shipping to the states kills me. And posting from my mobile does too.. Arg
October 12, 2012 @ 07:22 AM
mynameiszero

Post: 124

Join Date: Jul 2012

Location: Orlando, FL

@blackcampmarket

i like all your caps and name/patch except the shrooms.

DO IT!
October 12, 2012 @ 09:00 AM
rawlife

Post: 65

Join Date: Dec 2011

Location: Canada

Was Supreme the first ones with the floral 5 panel design? Shit blew up. seems like every brand is now doing it.
October 12, 2012 @ 11:14 AM

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Sorry if I'm repeating myself but I just want to make it clear, I'm not doing this just for money, I genuinely want to be a part of the market and bring to the table a load of designs you guys want to see.

I'm also a student like magmar and have very little income, the money I receive while in eduction barely covers anything, I love running Black Camp Market but without the money it's making I wouldn't have enough money to live. I think magmar put it perfectly though, the only way your going to be able to move your brand forward is if you sell. If you follow the current trend at least you know there'a a market there, if you try and branch out and start a new trend, it's more rewarding but it is also more risky, it all depends if you can afford to take that risk. The whole process of making them does put you on the back foot until you start selling and the worry is having all that money tied up in products that just aren't selling.

and @magmar, can't wait to see the 5 panels.

www.blackcampmarket.com | www.facebook.com/blackcampmarket

October 12, 2012 @ 11:38 AM
SHARKlN

Post: 5135

Join Date: Apr 2012

riding the coat tails of a trend is definitely not the way to start a successful brand.
October 12, 2012 @ 12:43 PM
backspacecentury

Post: 37

Join Date: Jul 2012

What do you guys think of that cap? I'm not sure about it.
October 12, 2012 @ 01:28 PM
amigo

Post: 9

Join Date: Sep 2012

Starting a new trend is one the most difficult things to acomplish in life. Nothing is new. Everything is so overdone. Sadly it is not about the product anymore. It is about the brand recognition you are capable to build. I bet a lot of the supreme hats with another box logo of any other unknown brand would not sell. Starting a trend is not gonna make you rich, but it will give you credibility and will place you on a privilege spot when that trend start becoming viral (here is were they make the big bucks)
Look for quality, look for real people behind a brand doing it by passion and not by greed. Support small brands with nice ideas and excellent quality, and creative thinking. Real skaters, snowboarders, surfers… real people behind it. Not big corporations ruled by banks.
Quality has never been cheap. Success has never been easy.
Become a leader or become a follower. The final choice is only yours.
The word is born.
October 12, 2012 @ 02:17 PM
waquaxy

Post: 131

Join Date: Aug 2012

Everyone is being so serious and provoking. I was kind of always on this forum for fun. I just love wearing fivers and found out I could find really fucking cool hats.
and.... Does anyone know if rbw new camps are done by more than one manufacture. Some of the bills look like raised edges some are just flat.
October 12, 2012 @ 02:47 PM
breshco

Post: 110

Join Date: Dec 2008

Location: Central Finland

Everyone is being so serious and provoking. I was kind of always on this forum for fun. I just love wearing fivers and found out I could find really fucking cool hats.
and.... Does anyone know if rbw new camps are done by more than one manufacture. Some of the bills look like raised edges some are just flat.


The same manufacturer does both style of the brims so don't worry about that.

www.previewclothing.com | facebook.com/PRVWCLOTHING | previewclothing.tumblr.com

October 12, 2012 @ 06:41 PM
hrnshn

Post: 5

Join Date: Aug 2012

Sorry maybe not the best moment, but if anyone is interested in a moupia racoons and co. - hit me up. Got number 6 out of 12. Gonna sell for original price
October 12, 2012 @ 08:06 PM

Inactive

Ok, well we all have our opinions, let's stop debating and get this thread back to a place to share ideas.

@waquaxy @mynameiszero Thanks for the support, we're definitely going through with it so expect some stuff soon. We'll let you know soon which designs we are going to take forward but please any feedback would be appreciated. If you want to see a particular hat, let us know, if you don't we'll think it's not popular and not make it. Here's another few fabrics, let us know what you think.


www.blackcampmarket.com | www.facebook.com/blackcampmarket

October 12, 2012 @ 08:16 PM
trevorsanderson

Post: 270

Join Date: Mar 2012

Location: Sacramento, Ca

@blackcampmarket love your fabrics. the bird one is so nice. if could not use the platypus one though that would be much appreciated. i'm already using it for my line of five panels which are already in production. thanks.
October 12, 2012 @ 08:22 PM
mikeyei

Post: 189

Join Date: Apr 2012

Location: Yass

Ok, well we all have our opinions, let's stop debating and get this thread back to a place to share ideas.

@waquaxy @mynameiszero Thanks for the support, we're definitely going through with it so expect some stuff soon. We'll let you know soon which designs we are going to take forward but please any feedback would be appreciated. If you want to see a particular hat, let us know, if you don't we'll think it's not popular and not make it. Here's another few fabrics, let us know what you think.



These are amazing designs/fabrics!!! I would for sure rock any of those on a camp cap!!
October 12, 2012 @ 09:19 PM
yungsteveyfranchise

Post: 55

Join Date: Jun 2012

Ok, well we all have our opinions, let's stop debating and get this thread back to a place to share ideas.

@waquaxy @mynameiszero Thanks for the support, we're definitely going through with it so expect some stuff soon. We'll let you know soon which designs we are going to take forward but please any feedback would be appreciated. If you want to see a particular hat, let us know, if you don't we'll think it's not popular and not make it. Here's another few fabrics, let us know what you think.



These are amazing designs/fabrics!!! I would for sure rock any of those on a camp cap!!

Anything but the dirtbike one imo thats ugly but i think the platypus one is the best of em
October 12, 2012 @ 09:28 PM
SHARKlN

Post: 5135

Join Date: Apr 2012

cool, now the thread is just pyramid quotes of some shitty novelty prints

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