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August 7, 2012 @ 06:19 PM
AndyRocksBluu

Post: 311

Join Date: Jun 2011

Location: Long Island, NY

I started a brand called Bluu Dreams. This is one of the designs from our line.



Let me know what you think. http://www.bluudreams.com

hey what a collection man....! really its very nice :-)


Thanks, I'm slowly getting ready to drop my next collection called the "The Divers Club". However, until then I have free shipping at the store all week long. Dive in.

http://shop.bluudreams.com/

http://bluudreams.com/ #DiveIn

August 7, 2012 @ 07:06 PM
zoidanum

Post: 94

Join Date: Mar 2006

^ I like the direction of it, could use a bit more originality. That second picture just screams Black Scale to me personally.


What he said. Can't go really wrong with those kinda designs due to current trends, yet if I was going down the posted pics they remind me of:
1. Bloodbath, 2. Black Scale, 3. Diamond Supply, 4. Acropolis
Which is not really a bad thing since these designs sell but they also come off as unoriginal and would turn me personally away from buying your stuff.


the crazy thing is.....how were people not turned off by Black Scale, if it looked like Diamond? why are people not turned off by Bloodbath if it looks like Black Scale? why are people not turned off by Acropolis if it looks like Bloodbath and Black Scale?

are consumers looking for original? idk. ( before you start to hate)...its just a question.


No hate at all. I feel alot of customers aren't looking for original. That's why I said that designs which will fit these trends are sellers. He print those and he would be in for a quick buck. Longevity? Not so much. From the brand owners point of view, I would not even get designs done if I feel they lack originality, I would not want to build a brand of so people can say "Looks like ..." I want them to look at my shit and think yeah thats definately "Whateveryourbrandiscalled".
As for the brands I mentioned, Black Scale and Bloodbath could pretty much fit in the same mix I agree. I would not put Diamond and Acropolis with them whatsoever. Also I think, and I'm speaking for me personally here, as a customer I prefer those brands which I can indentify with the most. Meaning I find out about your brand, google your shit, read your blog, check your lookbooks and decide whether to cop or not. I know alot of people don't do this they see a shirt think its hot and buy it. Its cool that way, I just like to find out more about the brand and the people behind it in general.

The thing with his designs is I take a look at the 4 pics and I find a shirt in everyone of those mentioned brands lookbooks which I would identify with his designs. This shows me that, first there is no general concept behind it (ie mix of 4 different brands) and second there is not alot of originalty.
For example:

This was the very first thought when I took a look at his first design. And I feel alot of people would think of him doing a rip off even if he maybe never seen the shirt or heard about the brand.
August 7, 2012 @ 07:18 PM
Broken Bank Clo

Post: 516

Join Date: Apr 2009

Location: San Diego

@effustephen

nice post...welcome to the other side of the independent brand business world.

here is an excerpt from your blog post that is the realest thing people on here should acknowledge:

"the few select buyers that actually stopped didn't even let me explain my brand or my designs. They seem to only care about if your "stuff" looks cool and would sell in their shop. That's where I was very disappointed."

"I thought what was missing and lost in streetwear and clothing in general was having graphics that actually have creative meaning behind them. I want to create dope apparel to wear, while having a intimate connection to the customer purchasing it. Apparently brands and buyers don't seem to care, it's all about money these days"

Honestly, this has ALWAYS been the case! Stores will only bring in stuff that looks good and/or will sell.

There in-lies your job as a brand owner....Either make stuff that looks like it will sell......or convince the CONSUMER to connect with your brand, or meaning, or lifestyle. That is not the job of the store!

go to any boutique, and it is full of corny shit that will sell, and bullshit from established brands (that looks terrible most of the time) but they convinced consumers to "connect with the meaning or lifestyle"....and will sell!

At the end of the day, it is a business.


^^^THIS > ALL OTHER INFO
I have walked into The Attic and other boutiques many times and looked at some of the designs and sayd WTFITS

Friends putting their friends stuff in their shop when is by far some of the worst garbage I have ever seen.

But you know what. It's a buyers market. And if it's selling, then boutiques are buying and stocking it.

The market really is open to everyone. Random brands blow up. And some of those brands may be in here. The same ones some of you may comment on and say will never accomplish anything because all they have is a logo T and no depth....

Broken Bank Clothing *** www.BrokenBankClothing.com *** @brokenbankclo

August 7, 2012 @ 07:22 PM
karakter1

Post: 592

Join Date: Jun 2006

From my experience with retail and retailers, most customers either come in a shop asking for a particular item/brand, or buy things that look dope.

if the customer does not know about your product, or the meaning behind it....then it better look dope!
August 7, 2012 @ 08:14 PM
Broken Bank Clo

Post: 516

Join Date: Apr 2009

Location: San Diego

Is that considered "selling" out...

Broken Bank Clothing *** www.BrokenBankClothing.com *** @brokenbankclo

August 7, 2012 @ 08:24 PM
casein_point

Post: 182

Join Date: Jul 2012

Is that considered "selling" out...


I have a hard time considering anything as selling out. UNLESS you completely alter anything and everything that your brand is based of off and honestly don't think that happens often. Yes somethings change, but that comes with the territory. If you don't make changes than its likely you'll be left in the dust. I don't understand when people say clothing companies or musical artists sell out. Isn't that the point to making that your job, to sell? to get money? to recieve profit?
August 7, 2012 @ 08:37 PM
karakter1

Post: 592

Join Date: Jun 2006

Is that considered "selling" out...


selling out what?

the store that can care less about your stuff?....the consumer that doesn't know you exist?...yourself ?
( not talking bout you in particular...young brands in general)

this is business. you either do well, or you don't........and you know what it means for a business to do well. It can be a T-shirt biz, or a damn Pizza place....biz is biz and there is only ONE factor that will dictate the success of all businesses.
August 7, 2012 @ 08:41 PM
Broken Bank Clo

Post: 516

Join Date: Apr 2009

Location: San Diego

Is that considered "selling" out...


I have a hard time considering anything as selling out. UNLESS you completely alter anything and everything that your brand is based of off and honestly don't think that happens often. Yes somethings change, but that comes with the territory. If you don't make changes than its likely you'll be left in the dust. I don't understand when people say clothing companies or musical artists sell out. Isn't that the point to making that your job, to sell? to get money? to recieve profit?


EXACTLY.

I just wanted someone else other then myself to point that out.

Broken Bank Clothing *** www.BrokenBankClothing.com *** @brokenbankclo

August 7, 2012 @ 08:45 PM
Broken Bank Clo

Post: 516

Join Date: Apr 2009

Location: San Diego

Is that considered "selling" out...


selling out what?

the store that can care less about your stuff?....the consumer that doesn't know you exist?...yourself ?
( not talking bout you in particular...young brands in general)

this is business. you either do well, or you don't........and you know what it means for a business to do well. It can be a T-shirt biz, or a damn Pizza place....biz is biz and there is only ONE factor that will dictate the success of all businesses.


LOL. I was typing the same thing but deleted it because I didn't want to hurt anyone feelings who may think this business is all roses and honey drops.
If you can't adapt then you won't survive. That's why people mimic, spoof, and replicate the heavy hitters. It may be lame but it's "smart" business sense to get noticed. It doesn't always work out, not saying it's right but that is just how it is...

Broken Bank Clothing *** www.BrokenBankClothing.com *** @brokenbankclo

August 7, 2012 @ 08:49 PM
karakter1

Post: 592

Join Date: Jun 2006

people have a jaded false perspective about street-wear, perpetuated by the misconception that BRANDS CARE ABOUT YOU! sure they care about the paying customer as a whole.....but they don't care that YOU have been rocking supreme for 5 years and some other kid just bought his first tee yesterday.

they don't care that you researched the designer, and took the time to read the b.s. mission statement on the blog, and some other kid just walked in the store an bought a tee because it looks good.

they don't care that YOU only buy from the flagship store and other consumers buy it from karmaloop and Zumies.

there is no survey required in order to buy your fave brand. you don't have to know the history of the brand. you don't have to be part of the lifestyle. you don't have to know where the exclusive cool stores are...............

all you need is money.....other than that, the brands don't care.

If you are willing to digest that, and stop being a fan/customer, you can begin to see the truth and have a successful brand and biz.
August 7, 2012 @ 09:48 PM
chads

Post: 1551

Join Date: Dec 2011

Location: Vermont

There is some really interesting stuff to think about here

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August 7, 2012 @ 10:41 PM
DannyHH

Post: 551

Join Date: Dec 2006

Location: United States

What do you guys do for tags for hoodies/crewnecks? I was thinking woven or heat transfer.. I just noticed UVT uses some sort of heat or screen print.
August 7, 2012 @ 10:47 PM
Broken Bank Clo

Post: 516

Join Date: Apr 2009

Location: San Diego

Never done them on my crewneck but I think the only option is laser print heat transfer or woven tags just because of the style material in the inside of a crew silk screen won't come out right.
Hanes uses a heat transfer as well as other.

Broken Bank Clothing *** www.BrokenBankClothing.com *** @brokenbankclo

August 7, 2012 @ 11:08 PM
DREAM AMOK

Post: 6

Join Date: Dec 2011

Location: Canada


For anyone that was considering Agenda or any trade show, I wrote my experience on my blog. Hopefully this can be useful knowledge for some. You can also ask me any questions as well!
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I appreciate the blog post, Stephen, it really brought some light to Agenda that I haven't ever heard about. I'm curious, what other brands were in the Primer section with you (slash brands worth noting)?
August 8, 2012 @ 12:21 AM
chads

Post: 1551

Join Date: Dec 2011

Location: Vermont

For those that were wondering about nylon coaches jackets, https://www.shirtsinbulk.com/product/Wholesale-Harriton-M775-Staff-Jacket_43_381 is a good source for them.

chadacadabra.tumblr.com

August 8, 2012 @ 01:04 AM
mrdaleog

Post: 195

Join Date: Apr 2012

Location: New Jersey

I've had this for a while since it was supposed to be my first summer release, but I decided to fall back a bit and change some of it up and release for fall.

Thoughts on what's here so far? I got a couple stores willing to sell some in their shops, but I want to have it as crisp as possible before I send them some.


URBN. by Live Love URBAN || Do what you love, love what you do || www.LiveLoveURBAN.com

August 8, 2012 @ 01:41 AM
karakter1

Post: 592

Join Date: Jun 2006

looks clean URBN.

if you have a few stores looking to pick it up, you should go for it.
August 8, 2012 @ 02:03 AM
mrdaleog

Post: 195

Join Date: Apr 2012

Location: New Jersey

looks clean URBN.

if you have a few stores looking to pick it up, you should go for it.


Thanks man.
I definitely plan to, just want to put out my best yano?

URBN. by Live Love URBAN || Do what you love, love what you do || www.LiveLoveURBAN.com

August 8, 2012 @ 02:42 AM
DannyHH

Post: 551

Join Date: Dec 2006

Location: United States

Something simple we have for next drop, Thoughts?
August 8, 2012 @ 03:14 AM
mrdaleog

Post: 195

Join Date: Apr 2012

Location: New Jersey

Feeling that jersey tee.

URBN. by Live Love URBAN || Do what you love, love what you do || www.LiveLoveURBAN.com

August 8, 2012 @ 05:34 AM
hkeys

Post: 541

Join Date: Apr 2012

Location: Tampa

What do you guys do for tags for hoodies/crewnecks? I was thinking woven or heat transfer.. I just noticed UVT uses some sort of heat or screen print.


I think it depends on what you've used before. If you normally use wovens then go with that. Personally like those better than screen printed tags, that's just me. Wovens on crewnecks are easy but hoodies can be tricky. Unless you have some some flat tags that aren't folded or a big enough machine so the hood doesn't get in the way.

http://thedividedminds.com/

August 8, 2012 @ 10:44 AM
ryder

Post: 240

Join Date: Nov 2011

Location: Canada

What do you guys do for tags for hoodies/crewnecks? I was thinking woven or heat transfer.. I just noticed UVT uses some sort of heat or screen print.


I get my woven tags(arm tags and bottom labels) done in China and then sew them on myself. Im a crafty one lol

edmflavor.com

August 8, 2012 @ 03:02 PM
cityofsavages

Post: 1304

Join Date: Jun 2012

Location: Old Fourth Ward

Feeling that jersey tee.


yeah that one looks good, the rest are cool as well.

City of Savages Clothing http://shop.thecityofsavages.com "Live Free or Die"

August 8, 2012 @ 03:29 PM

Inactive

I haven't started yet. but I'm funded about 5k. Is that a good start?
What are the essentials for designs? such as the logos, shirt designs, etc.
I have my own website down.

also, what sounds better. 'addition' or 'American Native'

Vashtie is the most beautiful woman alive

August 8, 2012 @ 03:37 PM
stillwild

Post: 560

Join Date: Jan 2012

Location: US

I haven't started yet. but I'm funded about 5k. Is that a good start?
What are the essentials for designs? such as the logos, shirt designs, etc.
I have my own website down.

also, what sounds better. 'addition' or 'American Native'


American Native. 5k is good capital to have. I say, source A LOT of illustrators. find a good six. narrow it down. A good logo is important. But first, before all that, for the love of god, get a concept together.

www.stillwild.co / online store that celebrates nature!

August 8, 2012 @ 03:48 PM
cityofsavages

Post: 1304

Join Date: Jun 2012

Location: Old Fourth Ward

@alhajisheriff as far as logos go, something simple but bold.

City of Savages Clothing http://shop.thecityofsavages.com "Live Free or Die"

August 8, 2012 @ 04:20 PM
Hellah Fresh

Post: 3983

Join Date: Dec 2006


For anyone that was considering Agenda or any trade show, I wrote my experience on my blog. Hopefully this can be useful knowledge for some. You can also ask me any questions as well!
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Yooo! Good read man and that is allot of good information for other people who are seeking out to start a brand. But what you said is true. Its all about the money now and days and on top of that you are selling your designs. I read up on a few things about successful clothing business and they say its the design that people are drawn to your brand and not so much of what the brand stands for now days. But keep grinding tho!
August 8, 2012 @ 05:56 PM
flauwekul

Post: 53

Join Date: May 2012

@flauwekul

flauwekul. is that a dutch word?


Yes it's a corny(don't know if corny is the word im searching for XD) dutch word for bullsh*t, I've been trying out alot of brand concepts and names. Till I came to the conclusion that I don't like to think in one concept or something to think in concepts so sometimes I just want to make bullsh*t that looks dope! :D

www.flauwekul.in - www.koenroetman.nl

August 8, 2012 @ 09:40 PM
Frank_

Post: 1206

Join Date: Jan 2009

@alhajisheriff 5k is ALOT OF MONEY over a 3 month spam I hussled around 600 bucks to get everything started for me.. Shop.theundg.net ... That goes for stickers pins..shirts..printing...website urls...now I know I I ha 5k I would e able to make a lot happen.... So just spend it wisely ..:don't try to spend 5k I'm 1 season ...

Depending on when you start factors in how muh money you will spend... I say best time to start is summer... Because all you need is shirts... Winter is A bit more since hoodies and jackets....

Also this is for everybody dont depend on the basics and think realistically .... Don't think you unknown brand will be able to push 200 shirts of 1 design for 30bucks .... Diamond started selling ts for like 10-15 bucks back in the day
August 8, 2012 @ 09:43 PM
Frank_

Post: 1206

Join Date: Jan 2009

@craftysince90 good but needs more color.... Since its about to be fall winter add those Coles not just black and grey... Add some hunter green maybe some navy blue and cardinal red

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