yo are these the same ones?yeah, propper fits weird from the pics i've seen. The best are Ultra Force; i got mine in the mail and they're perfectly baggy, yet sorta slim. naw mean? Here's a pic from the old wdywt of a pair tapered.
how did you size for these? TTS or down one? I'm a size 5'7 160lbs 32 waist, so should I get the small or medium?