Dude what are you talking about?? Nigo has made a deliberate effort to have Bape associated with Hip Hop.
I don't agree, As a person into fashion and who lives hip-hop I can tell you it was us gravitating towards them. I remember being introduced to bapestas in like 2001, which is DUMB early for a person living in Newark at the time, and while searching Nigo was already doing promo shirts for roc-a-fellas Japan tours and what not. Now I can't say if Nigo begged Jay to do shirts or vice-versa, but bottom line before The Hip-Hop culture was paying attention to Bape in America Nigo was fucking with American Hip hop in japan. Just knowing nIgo it often said he's Long been a fan of US hip-hop before the US was a fan of him, so him making clothes that would appeal to Hip hop persons is only an expression of himself, not an atempt to target america, cause dudes designs have not changed much. The jacket biggies wearing look exactly like the noe that was released this year in different colors as well, so thats not a big change, Northface, who makes that jacket its copying changes their colors by season too
While yes they aren't putting out Akademiks, Roca and LRG like gear, how is their candy colored cartoon graphics of now not a better executed more inventive version of what Icebergs and Lot 29's approuch was to hip hop gear?
You cannot say any of those brands and iceberg in the same sentence. While Iceberg did use cartoon characters which you may not have been a fan of, no one was and has snice dnone sweaters of their quality. Classic Berg has the most intricate intarga graphics with very pongiant embriodery and appliques that none of the other cmopanies mentioned have even come remotely close to. For me persnoally again as a person living hip hop, doing Bape line ups to cop their knits the first days they dropped, it was the italian quality that made the products classics, not the cartoons, Companies like gucci and LV dnot even do sweaters that detailed. The closest curret brand diong it would be lucien pillet-finet who charges like two gees for less craftsmanship.
And Bape hasn't followed in the steps of Ecko? Oh really?? Ecko didn't do a huge liscenced goods campaign with Marvel that ended as little as 4 years ago?
No one in the hood fucked with the ECKO/marvel shit, it was trash. Anyone even fucking with Echo two years after the name change had missed the boat. They both liscienced with marvel, but Bape seemed to make their shirts pop. I don't like them because fuck comic books, but their liscensing seems to have tapped more into charater color schemes for shoes, as opposed to the Ecko comic book cover tees. If its like that why are we sogassed about freshjives fronts shirt when only 300 shirts about fronts came out last season?
Nigo has had Pharrell by his side at all times over the past 4 years, that wasn't an overt attempt to make strides into the american Hip Hop market? You think the two really chill and are best buds? Nigo can barley speak english and I know pharrell doesn't speak Japanese. You think pharrell has been a Bape supporter since day one and once he got some fame he reached out, come on get real. And Kanye??? Are you just throwing names out there hoping something sticks? show me a picture of Kanye baped out. I don't think i've ever even seen him rock bape (with the exception of maybe bapestas) and he wasn't doing it 3 years ago.
Again as a persno who Lives hip hop, I'm telling you these dudes hopped on Nigo's cock. Look who you're talking about, Pharrrell and Kanye, the two biggest "I'll do anything no matter how stupid to be different" motherfuckers in Hip-hop. Nigos been doing him heavy before these cats, however they like to be able to say "ah you ain't up on this" so they hoped on his wave, and its all good. i even read in two different articles about these dudes seeking uot Nigo, not vice-versa, however he fucks with them because they are good for business, and dude probably appreciates their good music like everyone else in the world. Pharrell already had been created the whole BBC thing before he knew Nigo, so why would he spend dumb long pushing Nigos shit and not his own if he wasn't just gassed to rock.
You think Nigo always walked around in diamond encrusted fronts and blinged the fuck out with medallions
thats damn near everyone right now in hip hop period. Its not like Nigo didn't start doing it the exact same time as pharrell who is the hip hop artists, where you say the style originated from, as opposed to be after, both got big chains and fronts at like the same second, and I severly doubt nigos fakin the fucnk on the fronts cnosidering he got his shits permed, while his Hip Hop superfriend is just cappin
with swarovski crystels adorning almost every Bape product?
again I don't agree, dude was doing this at about the same time if not a little earlier. Nigo had the crystaled out sweat shirts in like 2003 around when it was starting to pop again in hiphop
Scrounge up some old pics of Nigo from the Ape Sounds, Mo Wax era. You want to defend Bape? I wa snever attacking them i was just saying how things went. I didn't say Bape hasn't rubbed off on Hip Hop today, But don't act like it just happened to happen out of the blue. It was an intentional marketing move.
I dunno man, My earliest recollection of seing bape as it released was 2001. What i saw was what i see now. All the bapestas were white base, but I saw pink camo checks, lime green snake skin, purple, Basic tees, one particularly the roc-a-fella one and ones similar to what he still does. You say dude just became mister colorful, but back in 2000-2001 with his pepsi can campaign dude was definetly freakin off both pink and blue camo along with green, and that shit was dumb colorful, and dude still does the unkle shits, and the tech shit, just in different ways. Dudes 2005 leather stuff was bananas and it had no logos, just straight design and construction driven
And again I'm saying this a a person RARELy buys bape, because the shit ain't that special, but as a person who has been paying attention
JJs: the Ape head Camo has been around for a while. But It's candy colored, multi camo swarovski mutation is relativly a new thing. I'm not sure where you can find a resource of old Bape gear pics, but look at Bape product from even as late as 2001 or '02 and it has a very different feel.
I don't agree, I nkow for a fact dude was doing pink and blue camo in 01
It's more tech, functional and simple.
touched on this, dude still does it
Obvioulsy the ape head motiff is still present then as it is now, but the look of Old Bape is More a mix of Recon and Hysteric Glamour than what it looks like now.
I'd need a better explenation as too why, because the stuff still has tech extras and what not, however I will agree it has gotten more colorful in general, but it still maintains true with other pieces
I'm not saying it's a badthing becaus ethere have been some really great pieces over the the past couple of years, but it is a different feel to the line and it is deliberate.
I'm sure dudes differences ARE diliberate, but not because of America, rather just because of his own tadtes. How can Purple camo even be devired from what hip hop was searching for? We went from solid color throwbacks, solid tees, and muted striped buttons ups, to & different camo shades? How does that make sense? If anything hip hop bucked left heavy just to hop on. And again I do reiterate, Nigo was been nito, and even trying to do hip hop in japan since way before America wanted anything to do with him. DUdes not real but has been diong hip hop for himself before for anyone else
Also before anyone used the Biggie picture with the jacket to state "oh look, they been hip hop since whenever". Biggies is not wearing the jacket, Bape never made product that would have even remotley fit Biggie back then. If I remember correctly, the jacket belonged to the photographer who draped it over Biggie before the photo was taken
I agree. You will never ever ever ever ever hear me say biggie WORE bape, The photographer did it for his personal joke, but it is simply a great example of a bape piece from 95 96 blah blah