Vans was just an indication of scale, not really anything to do with the message of my post.
The whole point i'm making is Dill puts these kids on with some esoteric bullshit and a hesher attitude, but at the same time he's launching his brand with a ton of help from Supreme, a brand laughably associated with skating. I'm all for rider owned companies, but I don't think Dill and AVE are as pure with FA as other brands like Magenta, Polar, Palace, Hopps, Scumco, etc.
I'm going to give you the easiest explanation to understand what I'm saying without actually saying it.
Dill has had a few sponsors through the years... I'll make it easy and use his shoe ones. Started with Vans, went to DVS, then Etnies, now back to vans. He makes dollars on signature shoe sales. I'm talking dollars. Even still to this date back with Vans, it's not much. Getting a boost is nothing. Yea Supreme is helping him out but his roots with supreme go back a long ways.
As for the kids, who cares. Skateboarding was built on poor. Not saying that in a bad way but most kids that skated in those early times had nothing. They still have nothing, and they are trying to figure it out, the smart ones are at least. The skateboarding world is changing. Your all part of it if your reading this.Â
Also, those brands you named, minus two of them are located overseas. One with small ties to Supreme. Palace BTW was built with $. There are 2 big people behind it. But I see what you are saying. Grassroots is grassroots. I understand it.