Are you retarded? What logic are you following where a collaborative jacket with one brand defines how warm another collab jacket will be. Seriously. They are totally different, and just because the mountain shell isn't as thick as everyone expected means nothing to the thickness of the champion. Aside from the patch, I think it will be thick and warm and high quality.@lenryhouis If the TNF jacket isn't warm, then the Champion Parka is DEFINITELY not going to be warm.