dude just look at their design quality and brand direction.. I cant tell if they simply ran out of ideas or the plan from the start was to get into every mall in America. Not hating if they are trying to make money, I wear major brands all the time, but their designs simply became horseshit and totally lost their edge. If they were going for being a pacsun brand, then mission accomplished, because they more then fit in their. I have a few pieces left, but seldom ever wear them.