[Visvim] - 2010 Official Discussion Thread

Dec 05, 2010 @ 01:33
Heard from someone that US retail is going to be about 630.. Unless union decides to add a bit more..
Dec 05, 2010 @ 06:05
track did they say what the hold up on the shoes was?


naa man they didn't mention any specific reason other than being in transit. i was told at 1st probably thursday, but that didn't happen so my boy said try calling tuesday. so with that being said I'll give them a buzz tuesday when they open and hope for the best hah
Dec 06, 2010 @ 00:55
gents, the interest is awesome. motivating me to actually get this sh1t done.

will be hitting a few cats up soon!
Dec 06, 2010 @ 07:39
yeah drift dont let that idea die, im sure a bunch of us would be very willing to help. off the top of my head id say

laughingrift, track, ledger, scotty, yom, 20hundred, infamousair54, and rick...maybe sponge and maybe even lucky too
Dec 06, 2010 @ 07:47
fuck yeah am down, now to get my hands on a n/n nomad&)&)&)&)

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Dec 06, 2010 @ 14:40
count me in too
Dec 06, 2010 @ 21:29
How do i contact a proxy regarding a yahoo auction? Money has to fronted?
Dec 06, 2010 @ 22:48
Link them to the auction and then they'll ask you to deposit cash to their paypal, usually if it's a BIN then you just deposit and they buy immediately, otherwise with auctions they might ask for something up front and then the rest when it's sold.
Dec 06, 2010 @ 23:00
Link to yahoo proxy?

Anyone in NY willing to help? I'll hook it up.
Dec 06, 2010 @ 23:25
There's heaps - Juno / Spe / Sutocorp / FromJapan / Jake Unkutt
Dec 07, 2010 @ 19:15
Honestly I would pay Visvim prices maybe even a little more if only it wasn't Made in China. Seriously there manufacturing seems to go against their whole philosophy.
Dec 07, 2010 @ 19:55
Honestly I would pay Visvim prices maybe even a little more if only it wasn't Made in China. Seriously there manufacturing seems to go against their whole philosophy.


LOL

M.I.C. is such a bullshit excuse, it's such a misconception that stuff produced in China is utter rubbish and things made in Japan is THAT much better. As more and more things get produced there the quality increases, same as technology advances - it's the Chinese who use it first.

In the words of Hiroki:

Originally posted by Inactive User
For me, it’s not about where the factory is, but about finding the best manufacturer to produce a particular product. Each one has its own strength. My job is to coordinate and make things better, so I’ll produce anywhere it takes to do this. If I find good factories or suppliers in Italy, France, America, Japan, or China, then I’ll use them.

http://hypebeast.com/2010/05/032c-presents-hiroki-nakamura-interview/


If the materials are of high quality, so will be the product in most cases and this is def the case with Visivm. I haven't had an issue with any of my Vis gear whether it was made in China, Korea or Japan. Their philosophy isn't to make proddy in Japan, it's to make proddy at the highest quality.
Dec 07, 2010 @ 20:06
It not the quality(most of the materials are source from around the globe anyways) its the fact that of the cheap labor and the fact that he they could be using local labor who would be payed more and care about their products and careers more.
Dec 07, 2010 @ 20:28
That doesn't make much sense since every company basically does the same, it's all for cost measures; would you really wanna pay another $100/200 on top of Visvim current retail prices? Fuck no

Companies do it to save money themselves and also pass that saving on to retailers and consumers. There's nothing about Visvim's philosophy that says they want to use local labor, they do use certain Japanese companies for certain products and materials but it makes economic sense to have a majority of production in China.
Dec 07, 2010 @ 20:28
they're paid more because living expenses are higher. this pretty much sums it up. it's not one specific person who's making the shoes, it's the manufacturing company. visvim sets the standards and the company must follow suit. do you really think each individual has any care for visvim? i highly doubt they can even afford it. what they care about is keeping their jobs. if they like visvim, great, if not, oh well. made in japan or made in america it's just a facade. great craftsmen are located all over the world. if they have love for what they do, they'll make sure they're doing the best work possible.
Dec 07, 2010 @ 22:01
That doesn't make much sense since every company basically does the same, it's all for cost measures; would you really wanna pay another $100/200 on top of Visvim current retail prices? Fuck no

Companies do it to save money themselves and also pass that saving on to retailers and consumers. There's nothing about Visvim's philosophy that says they want to use local labor, they do use certain Japanese companies for certain products and materials but it makes economic sense to have a majority of production in China.


Many of Visvims peers (supreme, W)Taps etc..) don't use third world factories most of the time so there's no excuse imo. Leave Made in China too H&M Gap etc if I'm shelling out the $ I would prefer local made and most higher end companies do just not Visvim and its disappointing cause they do make some nice stuff.
Dec 08, 2010 @ 00:34
Supreme uses China at times when there is no reference on the tag to "made in USA" or Canada, w)taps is made in Japan AND China, Head Porter do and so does NBHD.

You're speaking shit or deluded if you think other companies don't use China to produce for them.

Like I said, Visvim doesn't exclusively use China, they have used Korea in the past and still use domestic factories too, Yom scanned a few pages from Sense highlighting Visvim's efforts with production including a factory in Japan: http://eastfashioncollective.blogspot.com/2010/11/text-in-visvim.html

Japan used to make shitty products back in the 50s before they heavily invested into their domestic industries, China is doing the same and there's no reason to suggest China wouldn't be on par with the quality that Japan turns out, with many of these factories re-investing profits in order to get better technology and gain more business. You think Apple make shit products because they use China factories? There are shoddy Chinese factories that use inferior quality materials and cut corners where possible but it's simply a stereotype.

I guarantee that if you put two pairs of FBTs together (one MIJ, one MIC) that YOU couldn't tell the difference minus the tag. Visvim might have their main factories in China but they do a lot of research with material producers around the world, it's obvious you don't know this.

I've owned Vis gear from their early stuff to their newest products and the quality just gets better IMO despite being all produced in China.

It's a misconception that Chinese quality is inferior to Japanese quality, if you don't have any Vis products then don't speak shit about things you don't know.
Dec 08, 2010 @ 12:29
still no visvim kicks in unionLA!!! possible hold up in customs, i was told
Dec 08, 2010 @ 18:13
third world factories


WTF? As a country, China's pretty fucking rich. The US owes china something like 500 billion - 1 trillion dollars...

Sure the factories might not be up to par with modern union standards, but third world country? lmfao
Dec 09, 2010 @ 03:24
ignorant guy. china is set to takeover USA as the world's largest economy or something by i-forgot-when, as predicted by experts... and they are probably the fastest rising country in the world right now.

it's just a preconception by some ppl that china has low quality production. there are the good and the bad in china, and definitely you can find those good and legit ones.
Dec 09, 2010 @ 03:40
Yo, track dodnt get to go on wednesday like i planned but i have to go tomorrow to do a pick up for someone on some watanabe.. I'll see if they arrived and see if i can get an actual price..

Drift, hit me up.. I was actually thinking on doing something in those lines awhile back but i see more people down for it.. I would take part in it! Thinking of this, i was just telling someone a few weeks ago, i never see people out on the streets in Visvim.. Only time is when im in Union, then just this past week i seen a few people wearing at my work.. hahaha


I acutally see quite a few people wearing visvims where i work haha probably because a majority of my customers are from asia. I see quite a few pairs of fbts, logans and a shit load of christos... smh, some keifers. The craziest pair i've seen were the white mastermind x visvim fbts.

Their always surprised when I mention them because they know that barely anyone knows what they are and we usually end up having conversations about it haha.

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Dec 09, 2010 @ 14:17
buy my shit so I can cop a pauline hoody and some fluxux denims.

Supreme x Nike SB Tennis Classic http://hypebeast.com/forums/sneakers/200835

Dec 10, 2010 @ 03:21
still no visvim kicks in unionLA!!! possible hold up in customs, i was told


According to some guy off SuFu they arrived today, around the $620 mark. You manage to score a pair mate?
Dec 10, 2010 @ 06:29
China's quality has definitely become a lot better if you know where to get your stuff assembled, on top of that it's still cheap so there's no better place to go to for the cost/quality of getting garments assembled. A lotta people are stuck in that old 'oh its made in china it must be shit' paradigm.

Most companies here in australia get their stuff made in bali...which is ok but there have been some horror stories with garments falling apart after being sent back.

Top quality production is in Europe, but then that will cost you an arm and a leg.
Also would want to mention that the quality of the textile also has a massive part to play.

(kinda unrelated but just sayen...china is a-ok)
Dec 10, 2010 @ 09:09
According to some guy off SuFu they arrived today, around the $620 mark. You manage to score a pair mate?


haha naa man i actually decided to pass on them after all this time. they would have ran me over $650 shipped and after i sat back and thought about it i was like wtf am i doing haha. so whatever, i found a brown pair of achilles lows in my size for $260 DS and i copped those. would have loved the kiefers but the price really just isnt worth it especially if i cant even see them in person 1st
Dec 11, 2010 @ 07:59
http://www.superfuture.com/supertalk/showthread.php?t=251428&highlight=visvim

4 pairs of size 12 for those gigantic foot out there.. bargain for one of the size 12 hockney folk
Dec 11, 2010 @ 09:11
^^ wow!
Dec 11, 2010 @ 18:30
someone buy all 4

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Dec 12, 2010 @ 02:55
All 4 are ugly, wouldnt even waste the money...

Also track smart idea dude.. Not worth the over 600 for a pair of Kiefers, even if they are elk..
Dec 12, 2010 @ 10:50
hah well then wait til you hear this. Union actually sent me an email and pm'd me on here(which i thought was super weird), and that got me thinking. so i called up and talked to 2 different dudes about the kicks and they convinced me to still go through with the purchase(not much convincing was really needed haha) so anyway they should be here this upcoming thursday, got everything squared up and they even waved the shipping for mesmokeyface
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