The Official Naked & Famous Denim Thread

Jan 03, 2010 @ 04:25
Aight cool! Soak it is, I'mma soak 'em tomorrow. I'm guessing soaking them would make it more difficult for fades? smh


Precisely, it does to a certain extent I believe. unless you find a way to totally beat the crap outta them.
Jan 03, 2010 @ 11:17
Aight cool! Soak it is, I'mma soak 'em tomorrow. I'm guessing soaking them would make it more difficult for fades? smh


DUDE! Throw them in the freezer overnight!!! Why would you ever do a soak? Ive never washed my jeans.

NF for sale: 190z Elephant Skins, and Broken Twills Weird Guy Tagged 33.

Jan 03, 2010 @ 12:02
genius, just hang them outside in the sunlight for awhile, or stuff them in your freezer. don't gotta soak breh.

going 4 months strong now.


And there's nothing wrong with soaking or washing at 4 months. I've washed mine once and soaked my once. Barely lost any indigo. No point of purposely delaying a wash and weakening the integrity of the denim for what? Epic fades?

You can have a nice pair of denim by regularly washing and soaking as well. It's called cold water and Woolite Dark breh.

DUDE! Throw them in the freezer overnight!!! Why would you ever do a soak? Ive never washed my jeans.


You're all retarded. Stop giving bad advice ok.

This is what happens when you don't wash your denim when you should:



You should see my friend's indigo worn for over 1.5 years no wash. Giant gaping hole in your crotch doesn't compensate for similar results in fading.
Jan 03, 2010 @ 12:35
You're all retarded. Stop giving bad advice ok.

This is what happens when you don't wash your denim when you should:



You should see my friend's indigo worn for over 1.5 years no wash. Giant gaping hole in your crotch doesn't compensate for similar results in fading.


Correlation is not causation sir. We're not retards, you're making the wrong assumption.

I've seen crotch rips on people who wash their jeans all the time, so where is your theory now? If anything, not washing actually keeps the integrity of the cotton fibers together. It makes no sense that something that throws and spins the denim around in a metal cylinder would be less abrasive than simply not washing it.

The only non-abrasive washing I can think of is hand washing. Fuck that.

NF for sale: 190z Elephant Skins, and Broken Twills Weird Guy Tagged 33.

Jan 03, 2010 @ 12:36
it is VERY necessary to wash jeans, because what it does is that the cotton shrinks back regaining it's strength, u can sorta think of it like a very compact grid representin the grains on ur denim, over time that grid will become brittle because it's been stretched out, but put it in water and it'll shrink back up, causin the denim to pull each other making it stronger, i hope u guys get it.
Jan 03, 2010 @ 12:48
how do i size on weird guys? i have big thighs and like not big calves lol.
Jan 03, 2010 @ 12:50
Correlation is not causation sir. We're not retards, you're making the wrong assumption.

I've seen crotch rips on people who wash their jeans all the time, so where is your theory now? If anything, not washing actually keeps the integrity of the cotton fibers together. It makes no sense that something that throws and spins the denim around in a metal cylinder would be less abrasive than simply not washing it.

The only non-abrasive washing I can think of is hand washing. Fuck that.


You've made an incorrect assumption sir. I suggested either a cold soak or cold wash with Woolite which will have absolutely no indigo loss, fresh smelling denim, and also a slightly better fit from reducing knee bulges and the hip flare.

At 4 months, a cold soak is usually recommended. My whole point is that the denim should touch water even at 4 months, to preserve the integrity of the threads of the denim. In addition, the fact that the denim fibers are wet and dry reinforces the integrity of the denim. In the case of throwing it in the washing machine on gentle cycle, the positive benefits of having the denim far outweighs any minuscule repercussions you would have by turning the denim inside out from what slight abrasion it would entail in the spin cycle. That is an undeniable fact.

There are far too many denim retards who swear by the 6 month no wash no soak rule that people end up with premature rips and blow outs. Mindlessly telling people to not wash their denim or even touch water is bad advice. Especially when given NO reasoning aside from this arbitrary 6 month number that the denim world seems to pass around.
Jan 03, 2010 @ 12:55
Correlation is not causation, I concur. But you can't deny the fact that you are more likely to have rips and crotch blow outs when you don't wash the denim for prolonged periods of time. No idiot would even dare refuting that. You wish to try?
Jan 03, 2010 @ 12:55
You've made an incorrect assumption sir. I suggested either a cold soak or cold wash with Woolite which will have absolutely no indigo loss, fresh smelling denim, and also a slightly better fit from reducing knee bulges and the hip flare.

At 4 months, a cold soak is usually recommended. My whole point is that the denim should touch water even at 4 months, to preserve the integrity of the threads of the denim. In addition, the fact that the denim fibers are wet and dry reinforces the integrity of the denim. In the case of throwing it in the washing machine on gentle cycle, the positive benefits of having the denim far outweighs any minuscule repercussions you would have by turning the denim inside out from what slight abrasion it would entail in the spin cycle. That is an undeniable fact.

There are far too many denim retards who swear by the 6 month no wash no soak rule that people end up with premature rips and blow outs. Mindlessly telling people to not wash their denim or even touch water is bad advice. Especially when given NO reasoning aside from this arbitrary 6 month number that the denim world seems to pass around.

I don't say 6 months, I say never.

Look, I'd like to believe you but you don't show any facts outside of your own anecdotal evidence. If you got something that will make it a fact, I might consider your opinion but until then I'm going to keep recommending no washing.

NF for sale: 190z Elephant Skins, and Broken Twills Weird Guy Tagged 33.

Jan 03, 2010 @ 12:56
Lol yeah I think I might give these a soak or wash..

Pots, it seems like you have a lot of knowledge about this I just copped some woolite dark yesterday for my black tee's how do I go about washing my jeans?

Or would just cold soaking them with woolite dark be good?
Jan 03, 2010 @ 13:07
Lol yeah I think I might give these a soak or wash..

Pots, it seems like you have a lot of knowledge about this I just copped some woolite dark yesterday for my black tee's how do I go about washing my jeans?

Or would just cold soaking them with woolite dark be good?


Why? He has shown nothing but anecdotal evidence. If you throw them in the freezer overnight you'll lose the smell, and no negative side effects of washing. Until you have FACTS I would hold off on a soak.

NF for sale: 190z Elephant Skins, and Broken Twills Weird Guy Tagged 33.

Jan 03, 2010 @ 13:10
God damnit, lol. Jeans are so much work... I don't even know what to do now.. fuk it, I'mma keep 'em stinkin'!!! LMFAO
I guess I'll just keep wearing 'em until the stink is unbearable..

Oh, Pots & UNCMN. You guys got any recent pics of your denim?
Jan 03, 2010 @ 13:22
febreeze and hang outside!

anyone get those kevlars yet?
Jan 03, 2010 @ 13:55
God damnit, lol. Jeans are so much work... I don't even know what to do now.. fuk it, I'mma keep 'em stinkin'!!! LMFAO
I guess I'll just keep wearing 'em until the stink is unbearable..

Oh, Pots & UNCMN. You guys got any recent pics of your denim?


Very little change from my 4 month mark. Whatever fades I had are just lighter now.

NF for sale: 190z Elephant Skins, and Broken Twills Weird Guy Tagged 33.

Jan 03, 2010 @ 14:27
God damnit, lol. Jeans are so much work... I don't even know what to do now.. fuk it, I'mma keep 'em stinkin'!!! LMFAO
I guess I'll just keep wearing 'em until the stink is unbearable..

Oh, Pots & UNCMN. You guys got any recent pics of your denim?


keep em stinkin' until your boys start caomplaining about the smell. if they can't handle it then you know its time to something
Jan 03, 2010 @ 14:49
pots is so angry.
Jan 03, 2010 @ 15:11
keep em stinkin' until your boys start caomplaining about the smell. if they can't handle it then you know its time to something


I threw up on my jeans, put them in the freezer overnight, had my girl smell it the next day and she couldn't smell anything.

Correlation is not causation, I concur. But you can't deny the fact that you are more likely to have rips and crotch blow outs when you don't wash the denim for prolonged periods of time. No idiot would even dare refuting that. You wish to try?


Apparently I'm an idiot. You also don't seem to understand why its not the cause.

The only reason you're more likely to have a crotch rip is because you're wearing the same pair of denim more often than you are other pairs not because you're washing them less often.

NF for sale: 190z Elephant Skins, and Broken Twills Weird Guy Tagged 33.

Jan 03, 2010 @ 15:15
I don't say 6 months, I say never.

Look, I'd like to believe you but you don't show any facts outside of your own anecdotal evidence. If you got something that will make it a fact, I might consider your opinion but until then I'm going to keep recommending no washing.


Your only rebuttal is to discount my opinion, yet you've offered nothing as to why you recommend never to let raw denim touch water.

Darklite and myself both pointed out that the denim gains rigidity through the process of the fibers contracting from touching water and subsequently drying. This is a fact.

Furthermore, the absence of water touching the denim will cause the denim more likely to have rips and crotch blow outs. This is another fact.

I own the exact same pair of denim PUR3GEN31US does, along with 3 of my friends. If you are not willing to accept the facts that are presented as is, then I at the very least can make recommendations from my own personal experience from the same pair I own. Additionally Kiya from Self Edge and Gordon from Blue In Green who are revered in the denim boards both recommend washing and soaking jeans when the need arises. My friend who owns the same pair who has never touched water has an enormous hole in the crotch, perhaps that might be sheer coincidence or perhaps it's from the denim never touching water.

Let me assume your objections to having denim touch water. Loss of indigo correct? Since you don't own the same pair, then you don't know that Weird Guy Indigo are extremely stubborn and lose indigo very slowly in contract to the Deep Indigo and 21 oz. In fact, after 2 cold soaks and 1 wash I have barely lost any indigo.

Let me reiterate again that I am recommending for PUR3GEN31US to do a cold soak with a splash of Woolite Dark, not to wash his denim.

While putting his jeans in the freezer will eliminate odor, it will not eliminate the existing grime, sweat, dirt that has penetrated the fabric of the denim itself which is what causes the denim to lose its in integrity in areas of heavy agitation. This is a fact.

I can only assume based on the list of denim you've owned and your own recommendations you have never witnessed the effects of raw denim touching water. Otherwise you would know that after drying the denim it becomes hard like cardboard which only corroborates with my advice that it will strengthen the integrity of the denim. This is also a fact.

You can believe that everything I have to say is conjecture and never wash or soak your jeans. That's fine, that's your prerogative.
Jan 03, 2010 @ 15:16
The only reason you're more likely to have a crotch rip is because you're wearing the same pair of denim more often than you are other pairs not because you're washing them less often.


This makes absolutely no sense. If you wear a pair of denim for 1 year without ever touching water and another pair for 1 year that has touched water, the pair that hasn't touched water is more likely to rip.

Your rebuttal makes no sense, re-read what you wrote.
Jan 03, 2010 @ 15:19
Lol yeah I think I might give these a soak or wash..

Pots, it seems like you have a lot of knowledge about this I just copped some woolite dark yesterday for my black tee's how do I go about washing my jeans?

Or would just cold soaking them with woolite dark be good?


This is what I recommend, take it for what it's worth.

Fill your tub with cold water and add a splash of Woolite Dark. On the cap of the bottle, pour Woolite till you hit the first line. Toss in your jeans and move it around briefly around the water. Let it sit for 30 minutes. Rinse with cold water and hang dry.

You can also use the freezer to get rid of the odor, but it won't get rid of grime and dirt. Only you know the state of your denim and what it has gone through. Proceed with either option based on that knowledge.

If you want to see a video on how it's done, then check this one out at 6:08 http://vimeo.com/7391362
Jan 03, 2010 @ 15:29
Okay I think I'm going to give it a cold soak.

I watched the video.

Is this what I do?
1. Fill tub with cold water
2. Pour some woolite dark
3. Turn jeans inside out
4. Put 'em in tub
5. after 30-1 hr. I rinse out jeans
6. hang & dry

Okay I did the first 4 steps.. currently on step 5.. they're in the tub soaking in freezing cold water, damn..
Jan 03, 2010 @ 17:30
let me ask a question
How do i acheive fades?

after a while soak them or wash them to see the results???

is soaking meant to clean the denim or to bring the fade out? im confused
Jan 03, 2010 @ 17:42
wear them as much as possible
Jan 03, 2010 @ 19:48
I would definitely soak PUR3GEN31US.

Also when you wash clothes it allows the fibers to return to their natural length and in effect their tensile strength, from extended wear they stretch out leaving them weaker than normal which makes the susceptible to blowouts of any kind.

So I agree with Pots on that not soaking your jeans will definitely leaves you to sooner rips or blowouts
Jan 03, 2010 @ 19:59
Done with the soak, its just drying now, taking forever since its cold & I did a coldsoak lol

** Okay I put them on & damn they're stiff as fukkk again lmfao, feels like cardboard & it looks like I have to make new honeycombs & stacks :[ but whatever.
Jan 04, 2010 @ 08:31
Your only rebuttal is to discount my opinion, yet you've offered nothing as to why you recommend never to let raw denim touch water.

Darklite and myself both pointed out that the denim gains rigidity through the process of the fibers contracting from touching water and subsequently drying. This is a fact.

Furthermore, the absence of water touching the denim will cause the denim more likely to have rips and crotch blow outs. This is another fact.

I own the exact same pair of denim PUR3GEN31US does, along with 3 of my friends. If you are not willing to accept the facts that are presented as is, then I at the very least can make recommendations from my own personal experience from the same pair I own. Additionally Kiya from Self Edge and Gordon from Blue In Green who are revered in the denim boards both recommend washing and soaking jeans when the need arises. My friend who owns the same pair who has never touched water has an enormous hole in the crotch, perhaps that might be sheer coincidence or perhaps it's from the denim never touching water.

Let me assume your objections to having denim touch water. Loss of indigo correct? Since you don't own the same pair, then you don't know that Weird Guy Indigo are extremely stubborn and lose indigo very slowly in contract to the Deep Indigo and 21 oz. In fact, after 2 cold soaks and 1 wash I have barely lost any indigo.

Let me reiterate again that I am recommending for PUR3GEN31US to do a cold soak with a splash of Woolite Dark, not to wash his denim.

While putting his jeans in the freezer will eliminate odor, it will not eliminate the existing grime, sweat, dirt that has penetrated the fabric of the denim itself which is what causes the denim to lose its in integrity in areas of heavy agitation. This is a fact.

I can only assume based on the list of denim you've owned and your own recommendations you have never witnessed the effects of raw denim touching water. Otherwise you would know that after drying the denim it becomes hard like cardboard which only corroborates with my advice that it will strengthen the integrity of the denim. This is also a fact.

You can believe that everything I have to say is conjecture and never wash or soak your jeans. That's fine, that's your prerogative.

I'm not saying to never ever wash your jeans. Nor do I recommend it to people when they come in.

I tell them the truth, which is if you want the highest contrast fades, then wait as long as possible to wash them in the machine. That's why I don't let mine get washed. I won't get the fading I want. I also tell them not to wash their jeans in hot water, or to dry them as this damages the cotton fibers.

Also, when you throw around statements like:
Originally posted by Inactive User
Darklite and myself both pointed out that the denim gains rigidity through the process of the fibers contracting from touching water and subsequently drying. This is a fact.

Furthermore, the absence of water touching the denim will cause the denim more likely to have rips and crotch blow outs. This is another fact.

You should do more than just be like ITS A FACT AND I DONT HAVE TO SHOW EVIDENCE OF THIS AT ALL YOU ARE DUMB UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGH. I'm still waiting for some kind of proof to those statements. Yes it gains "rigidity" but does this strengthen the denim? I think that is a dubious claim at best without some kind of proof. You would have to rebreak in your jeans, which its nicknamed "breaking in" for a reason right? No offense at all, I simply am not seeing any evidence for your claims. You just keep repeating your mantra. If I'm wrong show me with actual proof, I'll admit I'm wrong and then adjust my recommendations accordingly.

I mean in my own personal experience, my denim busted after I washed it.
I've talked to Brandon, and the U.S. Nudie Reps and they both corroborated my opinion (sorry I don't have it in writing, had I known I would be having this discussion). So... does this mean I'm right and you're wrong?

NF for sale: 190z Elephant Skins, and Broken Twills Weird Guy Tagged 33.

Jan 04, 2010 @ 11:34
I'm not saying to never ever wash your jeans. Nor do I recommend it to people when they come in.

I tell them the truth, which is if you want the highest contrast fades, then wait as long as possible to wash them in the machine. That's why I don't let mine get washed. I won't get the fading I want. I also tell them not to wash their jeans in hot water, or to dry them as this damages the cotton fibers.

No offense at all, I simply am not seeing any evidence for your claims. You just keep repeating your mantra. If I'm wrong show me with actual proof, I'll admit I'm wrong and then adjust my recommendations accordingly.


Why do you keep ignoring the fact that I am recommending him to COLD SOAK his jeans and NOT telling him to throw it in the washing machine? I've said this 3 times now, yet your rebuttal still focuses on washing versus not washing for higher contrast fades. Everyone knows that already, I am merely stating that doing a cold soak will result in minimal indigo loss while still having the benefit of getting rid of grime, dirt, and sweat which you can't do by putting in the freezer.

The evidence you seek is hard for me to substantiate. If I had the resources in place to measure the rigidity of denim before and after wash in terms of denim fiber, then I would. If I had the resources to run this experiment in a controlled environment on multiple pairs of jeans in order to have a representative sample on washing vs not washing then I would. However I clearly don't have the resources to do this, nor anyone on these boards. Therefore the evidence you demand is unreasonable to provide.

On the other hand why should I have to offer evidence when I'm merely giving my opinion. At the end of the day, it's up to the individual what they want to do. They can only balance the weight of differing opinions and make their own rational decision. I could ask you the same thing, why don't you provide evidence that washing jeans weakens the integrity of the jeans rather than strengthening it.
Jan 04, 2010 @ 11:42
My friend's Indigo worn for 1.5 years. Pictures taken with flash since there's no natural light today. Possibly the most faded pair of Indigo I've personally seen, will update after these have touched water tongueface








Jan 04, 2010 @ 11:47
DAMNN 1.5 years & thats all they got!! FUKKK there goes my hopes in fading lmfao.
I'm def. buying a new pair of jeans in may for the summer.

Those everyday wear?
I've worn mine everyday for 3 months & they're not even that close.
Jan 04, 2010 @ 11:56
DAMNN 1.5 years & thats all they got!! FUKKK there goes my hopes in fading lmfao.
I'm def. buying a new pair of jeans in may for the summer.

Those everyday wear?
I've worn mine everyday for 3 months & they're not even that close.


Yea he wore them everyday. At times I regret not getting the Deep Indigo.
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