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jw, how much did you size down on your ns?
I sized down 3 on my New Standards
People usually size down 1 or get true to waist on their 710BLACK, as for the 710 indigo size down 1 or 2 depending on how you want them to fit.
Shearers size down 1, Cures size down 1. Sizing down 2 would be for the skin tight fit.