where are these made?
Japan im guessing, they have no tags
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Waist is still a little too tight, can't get the top button closed. I messaged Kiya and he's never heard of them either. Id say quality is pretty good. Better than my Skulls that I had, but not as good as my Samurais. I'll rock with these for awhile and see how they turn out. Don't mind the calves, they have settled a bit now