I got a pair of gap selvage denim got $17 today and I've worn a lot of selvage denim in my day. They jean quality may not be the best but for the price its a steal. Apc are probably the best as far as thickness, they pretty heavy and nudie quality is great. Even thou I will say I like Levi's premiums the best out of the jeans I've had they were so nice. Old heshers tailored perfectly to me, they're hard to find now thou. If anyone's looking to buy a new pair of nudies size 30x30 (never worn) only hemmed, average joes or a perfect wear apc denim, warn to perfection 32x30 new statement and also a vintage pair of 505 1960s remake by levis vintage co. Email me at firstname.lastname@example.org.