Douche Cars

To be honest, I have to disagree with this whole BMW is a driver's car notion. Aside from the M cars BMW's are hardly spectacular performance machines, and in comparison even the current M cars are leaning towards the softer end of the spectrum in comparison with previous models. I've been behind the wheel of an E90 328i and I don't think driver's car is the term I would use to describe it. BMW's are becoming more and more bloated every year, just look at the M3. The new M3's 400+hp V8 actually weighs less than the E46's I6, and yet the E92 weighs about 300lbs more. Sure the increased power is great, but the weight gain is unforgivable.

^ Your definition is a bit flawed. If those are your parameters for a driver's car then I can make the argument for any garden variety Mustang GT as a so called driver's car, when it simply isn't the case. And there is nothing wrong with Audi's 4WD system considering the R8 is widely hailed as one of the best handling cars on the market. Your description really just sounds like a somewhat sporty luxury coupe, and the G37 has performed quite well in comparisons so I wouldn't dismiss it so easily. Food for thought: The E92 M3 weighs 1000lbs more than the original E30. Seems like the car has slowly lost its focus over the years and ask anyone, the E30 M3 may just be the gold standard for driver's cars.

^ Your definition is a bit flawed. If those are your parameters for a driver's car then I can make the argument for any garden variety Mustang GT as a so called driver's car, when it simply isn't the case.

And there is nothing wrong with Audi's 4WD system considering the R8 is widely hailed as one of the best handling cars on the market. Your description really just sounds like a somewhat sporty luxury coupe, and the G37 has performed quite well in comparisons so I wouldn't dismiss it so easily.

Food for thought: The E92 M3 weighs 1000lbs more than the original E30. Seems like the car has slowly lost its focus over the years and ask anyone, the E30 M3 may just be the gold standard for driver's cars.

i was kidding. i happen to like holdens, loved it when the pontiac g8 (commodore) came over here. if gm had half a brain, they'd bring the whole line over here and show that it's possible for them to build a competent sports car that isn't a corvette.

1. The Mustang GT is a sports car, not a driver's car. A driver's car is a scapel, a Mustang is a rather blunt object in comparison. Again with this whole manual transmission and RWD thing, there are 2 very different ends of the spectrum. You have the Mustang GT on one side and then you have the Lotus Exige 240R on the other. Hell, the Mustang still uses a solid rear axle. It becomes kind of obvious which is more driver oriented.

2. 50/50 weight distribution is not the end all be all of handling prowess. For instance the Nissan GTR has 53/47 weight distribution and is still a great handling car. Not to mention 50/50 weight distribution has no application in mid-engined cars and it would actually be detrimental to their performance. Not saying 50/50 is bad in anyway, just saying don't base everything off weight distribution numbers.

3. By the way which BMW model are you arguing specifically? You say "Another factor contributing to their superior handing and making them the best drivers car in its segment." The brand makes several different cars in different segments so it would be nice to specify which model we are debating. Not to mention you say best driver's car in its segment, which is a luxury segment, which in turn kind of discounts the whole notion of a driver's car.

4. I'd argue that 4WD/AWD has become increasingly performance oriented in recent years. The Nissan GTR (as well as the previous Skyline GTRs), Bugatti Veyron (I hate that car), Lamborghini Gallardo and Murcielago, Audi R8, Lancer Evolution and WRX STI are standouts that use performance based 4WD/AWD systems. In fact 4WD/AWD can yield considerable performance advances in circuit racing, so it is banned in most racing series. This can be seen with the R32 Skyline GTR which was so dominant in Australian sports car racing in the early 90's that it was penalized and later banned. Am I proponent of 4WD/AWD? No, not really. However, saying that is geared towards safety in these machines is incorrect.

5. Is the M3 faster and safer now? Yes. Did it basically sacrafice its soul in the process? Yes. You see the thing that made the original M3 great was that it was very nearly a road going racecar, and if I'm not mistaken the E30 is still BMW's all time most winningest racecar. The M3 now is still a tremendous car, but its given up much of its character to a bunch of electronic control systems. The M3 may beat down on the RS4 and C63, but also right in its price bracket is the Cadillac CTS-V which it won't find such an easy opponent. Not to mention the base C6 Corvette is cheaper than the M3 and a fully loaded M3 nears Z06 territory, where it doesn't stand a chance.

those big pick up trucks (no specific brand or models lol) that is see all the douche white kids driving....

Listen you little fucking bitch. You drive a GTI dont fuck with me. Dont try sitting here and defending a piece of shit 328i. You dont know shit if u think a 328 is faster than a 3.2 a5 u fuckin bitch. fuck you dogg