New 10 Deep Online~

[LifeLike]

Not feeling any of it, but it's out today.

http://www.ftkonline.com/home.php?cat=444

Get it here first from what I can see...

[poppinCube]

Not feeling any of it

same here|0

[d3structo]

The whole Native American/Indian thing is weak. Not feeling it, but hey atleast they're trying something original.

[goatfacekillah]

i think its mad weak

[VeeArSix]

terrible. i'd feel like Tatanka wearing that crap.

[rasclaaat]

Shiiiit what's up haters! I think this is the best delivery of the season...gonna cop a bunch of it.

Edit: not gettin mines from FTK tho

[hockey4848]

at first glance im not feeling it....but im sure it will grow on me....Maybe.

[SSBSTS]

i dont know jack about native american history so i wont be buying it. no fronting for me.

[rasclaaat]

^^ it's all up on DG and most of the info behind the designs is explained

[ltd.edition]

don't know if i'd feel right rocking a native shirt, even if it was done proper.

mike richards on the other hand....

[kiya]

We just got it at Turf and it's looking really good..
especially the windbreaker style jackets with the hideable hood:
http://www.turfsm.com

[extrodinaire]

the wind breaker and sunburst hoody(in black) are really dope!!

[ossy]

naw i cant fuk with it.... i got alot of friends who are native.. and they wouldnt even rok this shit .. not impressed by this drop

[goschn]

I like it actually, but wouldn't wear it though ... but i'm hesitating about copping the windbreaker and the hat ...

[rasclaaat]

the windbreaker is unfuckwittable in my opinion...i love it.

[ramrod]

I think the native american theme is a little far fetched. Ethnicity is a subject matter you shouldn't exploit. 10 deep should know better.

I'm asian and I'd hate to see a japanese, chinese, or korean "summer line" or season of clothing.

[rasclaaat]

Oh please. there is a concept behind everything 10deep is doing with this. it's paying tribute to a pretty much overlooked part of US history first of all. most of all it's a continuation of the Last of a Dying Breed theme/concept.

[franklin]

The whole Native American/Indian thing is weak. Not feeling it, but hey atleast they're trying something original.

yea but it looks mad gay

[Tronics]

I like some of the stuff.

The theme behind it aint my cup of tea but at least it makes sense.

I wont cop none though.

I feel too cheesy wearing 10 Deep.

Thats what hype does to you i guess...

[Lifted.]

a couple pieces arent too bad

[ramrod]

Oh please. there is a concept behind everything 10deep is doing with this. it's paying tribute to a pretty much overlooked part of US history first of all. most of all it's a continuation of the Last of a Dying Breed theme/concept.

Concept? they're a frk'n streetwear label. It's not abstract art. Their brass knuckle, gold chain themes aren't that intellectualy thought out. No doubt they're trying to make a statement and stand out. But race is a pride thing they shouldn't be messing w/. Case in point.. remember Huf's banned ray fong adidas sneakers?

Besides how many native americans do you know rocking 10 deep? And how many street heads are that educated and informed enough to explain U.S history. I dig 10deep's design and creativity.. just not this.

[rasclaaat]

Concept? they're a frk'n streetwear label. It's not abstract art. Their brass knuckle, gold chain themes aren't that intellectualy thought out. No doubt they're trying to make a statement and stand out. But race is a pride thing they shouldn't be messing w/. Case in point.. remember Huf's banned ray fong adidas sneakers?

Besides how many native americans do you know rocking 10 deep? And how many street heads are that educated and informed enough to explain U.S history. I dig 10deep's design and creativity.. just not this.

All this debating is really eating into my money making right now. I'm kinda over trying to stand up for my opinion here...it just means there's more product for me to choose from I guess. That said, if you don't think there's a big difference between brands that come conceptual and brands that just bring logos and meaningless graphics...then I think you've missed something crucial. I think it's even more commendable taht at the size 10deep have reached they still bring conceptual shit to the table.

Edit: when the knucks were introduced, it was highly conceptual: problem solvers. it was ironic. that was what 10deep were ill at back in the day - irony

[jawnly211]

new line is ok

not going to cop any of it though

but isn't ftk the site everyone was bitchin about last fall?????????

poor poor service

[JKISSI]

Cant hate em for doing something different instead of following the train i actually like the native american theme

[tommyroks]

simply nasty,

[rasclaaat]

new line is ok

not going to cop any of it though

but isn't ftk the site everyone was bitchin about last fall?????????

poor poor service

Well for what it's worth...accordign to 10DEEP crew, only DG and Commonwealth are official online dealers. For all they know FTK are sellin bootlegs.

[SSBSTS]

i havent dealt with ftk for a few years but back when i did their service was fine. they are a large online dealer of tons of merch. it's not bootleg.

[Orpami]

I like some of the stuff.

The theme behind it aint my cup of tea but at least it makes sense.

I wont cop none though.

I feel too cheesy wearing 10 Deep.

Thats what hype does to you i guess...

Cosign.

[ramrod]

All this debating is really eating into my money making right now. I'm kinda over trying to stand up for my opinion here...it just means there's more product for me to choose from I guess. That said, if you don't think there's a big difference between brands that come conceptual and brands that just bring logos and meaningless graphics...then I think you've missed something crucial. I think it's even more commendable taht at the size 10deep have reached they still bring conceptual shit to the table.

Edit: when the knucks were introduced, it was highly conceptual: problem solvers. it was ironic. that was what 10deep were ill at back in the day - irony

I'm not arguing how creative 10x is. My beef is they're blatantly exploiting native american heritage. that's pretty shameless imo. Ethnicity isn't an innovative invention or concept. They're stealing big print images of tatonka and the dream catcher for t-designs and you think that's a new/cool concept? I'm sure you wouldn't give a lick if it didnt have a 10x logo on it. it's not like 10x is giving one penny off their $30 t's and $120 hoody's to a native american charity or interest, so don't rant on how their trying to instill historic education value.

What's ironic is streetwear brands always boast about their "hood-loyalty" and all the street cred or hip hop game they have. stick to what you are and do what you do. if Native Americans were making and rocking this stuff, i'd be fine, but 10x folks making it and non native american wearing it?..cmon.

[swurv]

Im native. I rock some ten deep.(actually I got one tee....) This does not offend me in any way. In fact, I appreciate the fact I can buy a hoody or a tee that has some iconography from native tribes. Lets not mention how the peace pipe and war-axe on one tee, and the navaho quilt-work inspired designs on the hoodies are from totally different tribes and areas of the continent. Its the thought that counts. And they pulled it off, for the most part.

[ltd.edition]

i think it's just to selective to rock.

where as someone who is of native decent can rock this with pride, an asian/white person would need some serious self confidence or a lot of native friends.

its just like if some white guy was wearing a shirt with a bunch of asian text on it. boy looks more like some poser than a fashionista.

[SneakerCartel-]

10 Deep is deaded as a whole. Fck there movement.

[arem]

I sincerely hope the shirts are laced with smallpox. Using Native people's culture to sell t-shirts is incredibly disrepectful.

[SSBSTS]

this is meant to be paying tribute, not exploiting.

[SneakerCartel-]

this is meant to be paying tribute, not exploiting.
10 Deep is exploting past tributes.

[rasclaaat]

I'm not arguing how creative 10x. My beef w/ their newest line, is they're blatantly exploiting native american heritage. that's pretty shameless imo. Ethnicity isn't an innovative invention or concept. They're stealing big print images of tatonka and the dream catcher for t-designs and you think that's a new/cool concept? I'm sure you wouldn't give a lick if it didnt have a 10x logo on it. it's not like 10x is giving one penny off their $30 t's and $120 hoody's to a native american charity or interest, so don't rant on how their trying to instill historic education value.

What's ironic is streetwear brands always boast about their "hood-loyalty" and all the street cred or hip hop game they have. stick to what you are and do what you do. if Native Americans were making and rocking this stuff, i'd be fine, but 10x folks making it and non native american wearing it?..cmon.

This is ridiculous. By your rules, 10Deep can only do designs about being from NY or Brooklyn? How confining is that? How many biggie tees do you want from one company? Do you apply that rule to west coast companies that do biggie tees or use his lyrics? DO you have to be black to wear a biggie tee? Or a malcom x tee? Do you have to be indian to rock a Ghandi tee? Or a Buddha one (don't laugh, these were huge like 5-6 years ago!)? Do you have to be white to rock a Beatles tee? Or a beastie boys one? By your rules cultures would never cross polinate and reference each other, which as far as I can tell, is pretty much what makes the world go round. I sort of don't like bringing up race in terms of streetwear because it's just sort of ridiculous. It's FASHION. All you cats hating on this who get excited about a shirt with Paris Hilton, naked, giving a blowjob, need to really check yourselves. Thankfully, we have a Native American on this board bigging 10deep up...thanks SWURV. props. No one said 10deep are trying to save the world with their collection, but for you to rule out their ability to reference any part of history? NOT YOUR CALL.

Edit: i don't recall any street wear brands boasting about hood loyalty or street cred. can you show some examples?

[SSBSTS]

10 Deep is exploting past tributes.

port, is that you? i'm sure you know all of the 10 deep crew personally and know their [not there] motives well enough to condemn them on here.

/sarcasm.

[IHaveAPosse]

how does this shit fit?
i know, i know, you've heard this before, i dont even like 10deep in general but im sorry that grey crewneck is beyond sick

[pomp3o]

I like that apocalypse T

[GracieJiuJitsu]

Man, this shit is absolutely fuckin DOPE!

I just gotta promotion and I'm coppin almost every
piece tonight.

Peace to First Nations Peoples

Eff y'all.

[extrodinaire]

I think theres a difference between paying hommage(which i think what ten deep is going for with these designs) and exploitation...which i really can't se e how these designs expoilt? i mean it ain't that political or serious, hip hop is a prodominately "black" culture that has brought together many cultures, in which many street wear brands have payed hommage too...is this expolition? no its just paying respects and hommage...whatever, i give ten deep props for doing something different some of it i like...some i don't

[GracieJiuJitsu]

I sincerely hope the shirts are laced with smallpox. Using Native people's culture to sell t-shirts is incredibly disrepectful.

Hahahaha! You guys and your self-righteous
codes of streetwear. Man, I'll tell ya.... Here
a few weeks ago I was gettin in y'all birds
asses for abusing the word ghetto and y'all
was full of piss and vinegar about it. Oh, and
how many times I see the word "n*gga used
in this forum without reproach?

Um, selling shirts with Native themes on it is
"incredibly disrespectful?" Shit, Jack, you might
as well be pissed that outdoor apparel companies
been doin this since "Little House On The Prairie",
e.g., Woolrich, Pendleton Woolen Mills, Cabela's,
etc.

Yeah, but let some dude who is godbody (like
Brand Nubian) get in ya asses about whites
appropriating Jazz and Hip Hop: "Oh, dude, Hip
Hop ain't a black thing, dude... Dude, but, but,
but, Rick Rubin was down by law since day one,
dude. It's universal now." :P

Jeez.

[ramrod]

This is ridiculous. By your rules, 10Deep can only do designs about being from NY or Brooklyn? How confining is that? How many biggie tees do you want from one company? Do you apply that rule to west coast companies that do biggie tees or use his lyrics? DO you have to be black to wear a biggie tee? Or a malcom x tee? Do you have to be indian to rock a Ghandi tee? Or a Buddha one (don't laugh, these were huge like 5-6 years ago!)? Do you have to be white to rock a Beatles tee? Or a beastie boys one? By your rules cultures would never cross polinate and reference each other, which as far as I can tell, is pretty much what makes the world go round. I sort of don't like bringing up race in terms of streetwear because it's just sort of ridiculous. It's FASHION. All you cats hating on this who get excited about a shirt with Paris Hilton, naked, giving a blowjob, need to really check yourselves. Thankfully, we have a Native American on this board bigging 10deep up...thanks SWURV. props. No one said 10deep are trying to save the world with their collection, but for you to rule out their ability to reference any part of history? NOT YOUR CALL.

Edit: i don't recall any street wear brands boasting about hood loyalty or street cred. can you show some examples?

Check the weeklydrop.com interviews w/ thurston howell, the hundreds, crooks, 10x, and listen how strong their underlining influence and body of work comes from street lifestyles, personas and years of experiences. I’m saying every brand is rooted in a certain niche and they base their designs/brand image on that same premise. Every label has a lifestyle specialty (skate, street, and sport) and look how they stick w/ it. You don’t see crooks getting in to skating, or huf playing on hip hop. Why? Because they have no cred doing so. Look at all the criticism pharell got trying to get into skateboarding and how wack it turned out. My point and I’ve said it before is 10x is trying to do something they’re not and have no loyalty to. And race especially is something you should have respect for and be ultra sensitive. You have to admit, using Native American imagery as a style concept is a random reach and the subject matter is semi-controversial. Not to mention their actual designs came out tacky (evident in the hypebeast feedback). Maybe if they did a collabo w/ a reputable Native American group/company/label that had an educational angle or message on what their intent is. But using a race/ethnicity.. just to be different or to boost sales = blatant exploiting. Bottom line, there’s a difference between being creative in your design talents and exploiting. Like I said before, you wouldn't give a lick about Native American imagery if it didn't have a 10x logo on it.

Do you know what exploiting means btw? to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage.

[scixxors]

thier shit is whack. not a fan.

[mize2DX]

terrible. i'd feel like Tatanka wearing that crap.

Who remembers Tatanka from the WWF ??
I on the other hand respect what they are trying to do..Change it up ALOT cause alot of brands are starting to look the same..Now when you rock a 10D shirt, You know your rocking a 10D shirt with Native Pride. I still rock a RBG wrist ban with PRIDE !

[-LDN-]

I think the white ceremonies hoody is nice

just bought it in fact

[YaYoPusha]

What ever happened to the chain gang New Era's???? I thought they were part of the Spring Collection?

[SSBSTS]

i hear the purple new era may have released but theres no verification.

[steppingrazor]

new eras are not out yet. a couple weeks.

[Facts]

I sincerely hope the shirts are laced with smallpox. Using Native people's culture to sell t-shirts is incredibly disrepectful.

Cosign.

Fuck that whole "this is meant to be paying homage" i don't buy that for one second.

[rasclaaat]

Cosign.

Fuck that whole "this is meant to be paying homage" i don't buy that for one second.

Even so, it's still just fashion, don't get it twisted. Were they supposed to send a check to Egypt for using the Pharoah shit? Or to the 80s for the new wave shit? I think not...

[steppingrazor]

Cosign.

Fuck that whole "this is meant to be paying homage" i don't buy that for one second.

better start picketing all those southwestern furniture stores then dude!

So what youre saying is that no one can ever put a picture of someone or use an influence from somewhere if they werent actually from that culture?? hmm i guess nike should stop making cinco de mayo sneakers. or chinese new year or year of the whatever shoes....or tattoo artists from america shouldnt be able to do irezumi (japanese style) tattoos, cuz its not their culture, and theyd be making money off of it. Better have all those japanese brands like neighborhood and bounty hunter close up cuz they werent involved in the white motorcycle club/greaser/rocker culture or chicano lowrider/gang culture. please.

better close up 90% of all tshirt brands cuz they all make shirts that have hip hop references, and i dont see people rappin. sure you may respect and listen to the music, but how is that any different than someone who respects and is influenced by native american culture?

[embark]

better start picketing all those southwestern furniture stores then dude!

So what youre saying is that no one can ever put a picture of someone or use an influence from somewhere if they werent actually from that culture?? hmm i guess nike should stop making cinco de mayo sneakers. or chinese new year or year of the whatever shoes....or tattoo artists from america shouldnt be able to do irezumi (japanese style) tattoos, cuz its not their culture, and theyd be making money off of it. Better have all those japanese brands like neighborhood and bounty hunter close up cuz they werent involved in the white motorcycle club/greaser/rocker culture or chicano lowrider/gang culture. please.

better close up 90% of all tshirt brands cuz they all make shirts that have hip hop references, and i dont see people rappin. sure you may respect and listen to the music, but how is that any different than someone who respects and is influenced by native american culture?

it is no different. I agree.
I guess Im just of the school that useage and imitation are the highest forms of flattery. Personally I dont think motifs of American Indigenous (sp?) People arent used enough and its cool 10 deep is showing love. I wont be copping personally but everybody should do them,

[Facts]

better start picketing all those southwestern furniture stores then dude!

So what youre saying is that no one can ever put a picture of someone or use an influence from somewhere if they werent actually from that culture?? hmm i guess nike should stop making cinco de mayo sneakers. or chinese new year or year of the whatever shoes....or tattoo artists from america shouldnt be able to do irezumi (japanese style) tattoos, cuz its not their culture, and theyd be making money off of it. Better have all those japanese brands like neighborhood and bounty hunter close up cuz they werent involved in the white motorcycle club/greaser/rocker culture or chicano lowrider/gang culture. please.

better close up 90% of all tshirt brands cuz they all make shirts that have hip hop references, and i dont see people rappin. sure you may respect and listen to the music, but how is that any different than someone who respects and is influenced by native american culture?

Maybe you should slow your roll for about 2 seconds cool guy.

I never said 10deep owed anyone, or any culture a dime. I never even alluded to that so fallback.

I think it's exploiting. So what. I have an opinion, just like 10deep's allowed to do whatever they want for their line. As for it being homage or them being influenced by Native American culture..BS...they just found a new theme for their line, while exploiting at the same time using sacred themes from a culture that was thoroughly wiped out by the industrial movement and White America, basically the same ideals used to manufacture and market this line. The comparisons you made IE Biker culture, Japanese culture etc to Native Americans are fucking trivial and minimize what happened to Native Americans. I hope you're not THAT IGNORANT MY DUDE!

For starters, if you really wanna break it down - Nike does reach out to people involved in those cultures to help with design etc - IE Cartoon for Hispanic inspired sneakers, and the list could go on and on....

I don't even know why I felt it necessary to explain myself, maybe cause you came at me sideways on some assumption type bullshit.

[Brain]

new eras are not out yet. a couple weeks.

ah man, i can't wait! hope to get my hands on these!