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freshbook
01-03-2007, 10:57 PM
READ THIS.

PAUL MITTLEMAN'S [STUSSY] 06 RAP UP.

GOOD READ.

READ IT.


It is the end of the year, a long year. CBGB’s closed and James Brown died, where would we be with out the home of punk rock and the Godfather of Soul. If you take these two icons out of our cultural lexicon what would our age of become? Now they are gone forever, but never will they be forgotten, R.I.P. and a fine fair well to them both and too all the others we have lost this year.
It is time to question what will their legacy become? What will 2007 have in store for us? Will it be more all over printed hoodies? It is odd to think back on this year, I am not really a clothing designer any more, I am now a clothing designer/textile artist. I never wanted to be a textile artist or a pattern designer (actually I never wanted to be a clothing designer), however I guess adaptation is needed if one wants to survive. I hope this printed hoody craze ends soon; I do not want to have a business card some time down the road that says, Paul Mittleman Textile Designer.
That just is not very cool.

2006 was the year of the “Cool Guy” I am not sure who the “Cool Guy” is? It is the guy who stands in line waiting to buy something cool? I thought people that stood in line were generally not cool, like is it cool to wait in line to go into a club? Were the people who stood inline for a PS3 cool? I saw a few street wear lines over the past two weeks, the people in them seemed fairly board and distant. I guess if you stood in a line all night it is a fair way too feel. After I see a line I like to look on Ebay the next day and see if the cool guys were cool, or just businessmen? After a year of watching lines I think they are both. Well maybe more on the business side, I am reserving my verdict if they are cool. Or not? Maybe, it is a new social situation, the line that is.

So where are the “Cool Guys” going next year?

Is this what happens when the underground goes mainstream? I think we have a street wear "Tipping Point" on our hands. Street clothing has socially evolved into a style norm for people around the world. Though the use of the conduits of the web, music, magazines and the other various routes of information exchange the memes of the street have modified once again but into what could be an Apocalypse. Is this a foreseen end or just a limit declaring a new beginning? Could this be repositioning of our collective creative consciousness. It is an end of Time, but end of whose time? My intuition tells me that not all times move at the same pace, could current trends wane at a different rates than new movements excel and grow?

I moved to Los Angeles about six years ago, shortly there after everyone in LA looked like the cast from Jackass. Allover people resembled Johnny Knoxville, Trucker caps, cowboy shirts, vintage rock tees were everywhere; I was from NYC and like saying what the fuck???? No one dresses like this back home. I remember DJ AM use to run vintage concert tees, now he seems to like Neighborhood on other refined gear. And let us not forget Pharrell and his truckers... I have no problem with either of them, or what they wear or have worn, they are just being used here as significant movement markers representing how memes work in a social structure. Style does change, what were once cool floats down stream ever so fast. Only waiting for new ice to melt away from the mountaintop. New ice will hopefully bring fresh water, and if this global warming thing is true we should have lots of melted ice in the near future.

Fast-forward 2007.

Poof, now you cannot leave your house with out seeing an all over print zip hoody from hell. Even sometimes if you have a privileged moment you can spot the very so rare and elusive double zip hoody wearer (that is when you spot someone wearing two hoodies at once). I cannot lie; A Bathing Ape has made lots of great hoodies. I would venture to say they have created this category. Or have they created a potential void in which street wear might never recover from? What happens when kids do not want hoodies? Tee shirts can change; graphics and ideas move all the time. Caps can move from truckers to New Era and on. But when brands are built on a single garment category look out when it stops. This lack of diversity can kill a small company or even a culture. Our culture. We might not all like each other, but we are all in this together. When and if a people don’t buy our gear small companies will close. Then shops will close. Then where will we shop? The Mall? Will we all have to get real jobs? No fuckin way, the mall is now full of more printed hoodies, and trust me they look worse than the ones on the street and if I wanted a real job I would of went to college, oh ya I did go to college, but I never wanted a real job.

Sitting here I am fully aware of my age, my distant temporal gap from the youth and that I am about to design Spring 2008. Will I design all over print hoodies again? Maybe? I have just started thinking about it so I am not sure. What I do ask myself is what will all the younger brands design? More hoodies? Than I ask is this because they like them? Because they sell? Or because they are relatively easy to make and are really just an extension of the graphic language of a tee shirt graphic and a new vehicle to sell a brand identity? Maybe street wear in this age is not really about clothing design, but about the social recognizing of your clan. It like most fashion is in the end is just plumage.

Lets put this all into cash and keep it simple, I will round off the numbers to make it flow. If you sell 100 hoodies for $100 each that’s 10g’s, not bad, kinda like crack. 100 tees at $35 you make $3500, ok but not killin it. So have zip hoodies become, hmmmm, lets say a good source of revenue? Now, if they fall out of fashion and I am sure they will, all of our rap music friends will be fine. They can make $$$$ selling records. Now even toy companies have clothing lines????? Come on, vinyl figures have fallen off so did some one say: “hey I have an idea we will make Printed Hoodies and caps too match". Good idea. Maybe the NY Times can write the same article they wrote last year twice about the rage of the printed hoodie. Hoodies are fine, I design them, I sell them and I wear them (well I wear black solid ones). One the bright side, hoodies replaced track jackets and that is a good thing. I do not really like track jackets and an all over printed track jacket could be way more disturbing than any printed hoody.

I seem to rant and I have been called caustic. However, this is written for all the small companies and people who want to design. It is up to you to change the game and keep it moving. We are in murky waters. The future of this culture is up to you. We look forward to what you do next year and in the years to come. A mixture of creativity, commerce and good luck can take us to a new place. Things change when people want change. It is up to the consumer, the man on the street to move it along. All us companies await your cues. Your desire to explore new areas or stand still will frame this next chapter. Time might look forward and back all at once, but youth will move on always being influenced by the past and the present. It is not normal for youth to be of the moment.

In 2012 Mayan calendar ends, it is their Apocalypse. The Mayans read this as not an end, but a new beginning. An end to the world that was once what it had been. Here by allowing a bridge to a new unknown epoch. Perhaps 2006 was the end of street wear, as we knew it. Could 2007 be a new start, a fresh beginning? In this new time will we seek modification, variation, mutation and diffusion of our social creative evolution? Who will advance to the next plateau? How will creativity and commerce survive this rapidly developing technological milieu? What will inspire us in the year(s) to come? I guess we will find out tomorrow. Or some time soon after that.

Thank you 2006.

A happy and healthy New Year to all.

PS
I do not think only the youth can change this future, I think that new ideas can come out of anyone at anytime.
The trick is just to know where to look, how to listen and when to move.

iDANYO
01-03-2007, 11:02 PM
Wall...of...words...


To much reading dude...

freshbook
01-03-2007, 11:06 PM
READ IT. IT TAKES FIVE MINUTES.

The Real World
01-03-2007, 11:06 PM
ok dad.

bigsink
01-03-2007, 11:07 PM
actually that was pretty good thanks!

PuRPoS3
01-03-2007, 11:08 PM
was a good read.
the points were pretty true

doctorworm
01-03-2007, 11:10 PM
well i read the whole thing and although i don't agree with everything he has to say he had some very good points, although he didn't seem to offer any conjectures of what's to come or ideas/solutions. Iguess we can only wait to see what 2007 will hold.

Bones
01-03-2007, 11:10 PM
well i read the whole thing and although i don't agree with everything he has to say he had some very good points, although he didn't seem to offer any conjectures of what's to come or ideas/solutions. Iguess we can only wait to see what 2007 will hold.

Yeah, I felt incomplete in the end...

Thatstupidfan
01-03-2007, 11:13 PM
Emo

chido
01-03-2007, 11:16 PM
good read

BWS
01-03-2007, 11:29 PM
its just clothes

Point
01-03-2007, 11:45 PM
nice, hope more ppl read this although its a bit long

SayWord
01-03-2007, 11:58 PM
bleh.

bangedup
01-04-2007, 12:16 AM
Nice article... But he needs some writing lessons from BobbyHundreds or something because while it seemed he really wanted to touch on something profound--nothing really came of his looong ass rant. He just typed up everything we already knew in his own long-winded, "been in this game for a real long time" way.

dunksfordays
01-04-2007, 12:20 AM
"street culture" is just a fad it will die out and 98% of this board and the people that buy the shit kids wait in line to get will move on to the next "cool guy" thing quit bitching about it and save the essays for your high school english class

dunksfordays
01-04-2007, 12:21 AM
sorry double post

azfan
01-04-2007, 12:44 AM
he didn't say shit or anything remotely innovative or brain-tickling.

Lostbryan
01-04-2007, 01:00 AM
Let's have an 'ALL-OVER SUCKS' rally and blow up a bunch of wack hoodies

Kable
01-04-2007, 01:18 AM
cliff notes?

bats
01-04-2007, 01:22 AM
Interesting read. Him coming from a designer POV, making money off all over print hoodies = where the money is at this season.

Moving away from this giant hyped fad will be difficult, for up and coming designers pushing their (hopefully) original designs.

He kinda just said the epitome of hypebeasting.

FFent Freelanc
01-04-2007, 02:38 AM
you should have named this thread differently to attract more readers
and he should have written a little bit better
ehh

Visciouskix
01-04-2007, 03:09 AM
his points were so true.... good read....

bnj
01-04-2007, 03:27 AM
i agree with the points mentioned.
if you dont get or take offense to it, maybe its time to assess the situation.

Wu Dynasty
01-04-2007, 04:14 AM
He needs better grammar and spelling. Good read though. Can't say I completely agree with it, but I do understand his train of thought.

steppingrazor
01-04-2007, 02:29 PM
i read that on his blog...good read but its nothing that many of us already say.

trungtao
01-04-2007, 02:54 PM
This is directed to all you shithead young kids that got into streetwear recently.

awwsheeet
01-04-2007, 03:30 PM
"too much reading makes my head hurt" --shithead young kids

SSBSTS
01-04-2007, 03:37 PM
This is directed to all you shithead young kids that got into streetwear recently.

and what exactly is that? the guy didnt say anything other than street wear doesnt know where to go next.

Fishscale
01-04-2007, 03:41 PM
Good read.

malcolm301
01-04-2007, 09:44 PM
he sounds like jay-z on the black album, like he's so frustrated with where things have gone that he is ready to leave.

MisfitProdigy
01-04-2007, 09:59 PM
real talk right there, time to stop buying all over hoodies, well will atleast try

newera84
01-04-2007, 10:38 PM
pretty cool.. brings up a good question.. what will smaller companys try an push out..

homi
01-04-2007, 11:05 PM
very well thought out , and if anything u should feel enlightened not offended

UKingdom
01-04-2007, 11:47 PM
there are a couple good points but the language is verbose, wordy, and redundant. it came off a little pretentious to me.

homi
01-04-2007, 11:59 PM
there are a couple good points but the language is verbose, wordy, and redundant. it came off a little pretentious to me.

kind of like your post..

in the end any intelligent discussion on the state of the streetwear industry as whole such as the one espoused here should be considered welcome

awwsheeet
01-05-2007, 03:43 AM
homi got you opin like fallopian tubes son.

swurv
01-05-2007, 04:17 AM
Look. This is an OG giving his perspective. To the kid(s) like "wall of words, I aint reading that" have fun working at McDonalds or in retail your whole life. Moron.

Moving on, I think the whole idea that this is a "tipping point" as Malcolm Galdwell would put it, is fairly accurate. Mall stores, "urban gear", etc, is the manifestation of this tipping point as we see this little culture become mainstream. Its funny, I only heard of HB earlier this year, and was not really 'up' on alot of the stuff featured in the frontpages. But I skated as a kid, chopped, hustled, did dirt, played music, BMX'd later on, partied, fucked girls, got in trouble with the law, and through it all just did whatever came naturally. And its wierd, when I see some (relative) young buck rocking shit like I did and still do, I just naturally assume that kids up on the shit like I was when I was 16. Rocking skater/punk/hip hop style, and kids listenin to pop punk on MTV and never been punched in the face?! So when I discovered HB I realized that these little pukes are about as hard as marshmallows, and they are basically faking the funk. Then I took deep breath and realized that the plagarism of style is really the highest compliment.

The "tipping point" I think this article outlines references the total detachment from the things that essentially defined the people who were into this style back in the day. When it's 'mainstream' kids wearing it cuz they seen their favorite celebrity wearing it, or its just there staring them in the face at the mall. It's being served up on a silver platter, without shame, and the kids are eating it up. In my high school how many kids had baggy ass jeans and tried to look like thugs, and how many flipped weight or used that northface to keep warm on the block? Many and None. Point is, its like what was big when I was in HS, in the media, and the kids followed without knowing what they were emulating. Mainstreamed and now hitting that point is streetwear. Its not about anything but rocking whats hot. The type of kids in XXXL tall tees and fake girbauds two years ago were rocking M&N jerseys a year before, and Von Dutch trucker caps a minute before that. And these 'kids' can be like 25, age is no guarantee of wisdom.

The key to this article was how dunny asked "where do we go from here?". If companies use this turn upto bat in the fashion game to hit a home run and become classic, good on them. But the likleyhood of recycled graphics, safe themes, and general circle-jerkery in this industry is likely to stagnate the creative forces. I think its a valid question, do the boundaries keep being pushed?, or does The Hundreds become LRG? I mean if Bobby and them did it, good for them I guess, it would mean they are prolly set for life and whatever, but it would be on the backs of a different audience than those who might have initially bought their stuff. And most importantly, if a company can stay true to their design and branding concept, then they can maybe live after the 'rise and fall' that comes from becoming or being labelled as trendy. I mean yes ecko prolly banked alot of cash, but when was the last time you saw it on anyone but a homeless guy who copped from the salvation army or whatever? Like you seein sean john, rocawear, and all that. This ain't Dave giving LTD's to bums, this is str8 up fashion passing.

FU2
01-05-2007, 04:38 AM
whats with the bullshit everyone tryin to drop knowledge....gotta say all in all.............GAY

DunkDad
01-05-2007, 05:11 AM
whats with the bullshit everyone tryin to drop knowledge....gotta say all in all.............GAY

maybe because you have nothing to drop?

DunkDad
01-05-2007, 05:19 AM
Look. This is an OG giving his perspective. To the kid(s) like "wall of words, I aint reading that" have fun working at McDonalds or in retail your whole life. Moron.

Moving on, I think the whole idea that this is a "tipping point" as Malcolm Galdwell would put it, is fairly accurate. Mall stores, "urban gear", etc, is the manifestation of this tipping point as we see this little culture become mainstream. Its funny, I only heard of HB earlier this year, and was not really 'up' on alot of the stuff featured in the frontpages. But I skated as a kid, chopped, hustled, did dirt, played music, BMX'd later on, partied, fucked girls, got in trouble with the law, and through it all just did whatever came naturally. And its wierd, when I see some (relative) young buck rocking shit like I did and still do, I just naturally assume that kids up on the shit like I was when I was 16. Rocking skater/punk/hip hop style, and kids listenin to pop punk on MTV and never been punched in the face?! So when I discovered HB I realized that these little pukes are about as hard as marshmallows, and they are basically faking the funk. Then I took deep breath and realized that the plagarism of style is really the highest compliment.

The "tipping point" I think this article outlines references the total detachment from the things that essentially defined the people who were into this style back in the day. When it's 'mainstream' kids wearing it cuz they seen their favorite celebrity wearing it, or its just there staring them in the face at the mall. It's being served up on a silver platter, without shame, and the kids are eating it up. In my high school how many kids had baggy ass jeans and tried to look like thugs, and how many flipped weight or used that northface to keep warm on the block? Many and None. Point is, its like what was big when I was in HS, in the media, and the kids followed without knowing what they were emulating. Mainstreamed and now hitting that point is streetwear. Its not about anything but rocking whats hot. The type of kids in XXXL tall tees and fake girbauds two years ago were rocking M&N jerseys a year before, and Von Dutch trucker caps a minute before that. And these 'kids' can be like 25, age is no guarantee of wisdom.

The key to this article was how dunny asked "where do we go from here?". If companies use this turn upto bat in the fashion game to hit a home run and become classic, good on them. But the likleyhood of recycled graphics, safe themes, and general circle-jerkery in this industry is likely to stagnate the creative forces. I think its a valid question, do the boundaries keep being pushed?, or does The Hundreds become LRG? I mean if Bobby and them did it, good for them I guess, it would mean they are prolly set for life and whatever, but it would be on the backs of a different audience than those who might have initially bought their stuff. And most importantly, if a company can stay true to their design and branding concept, then they can maybe live after the 'rise and fall' that comes from becoming or being labelled as trendy. I mean yes ecko prolly banked alot of cash, but when was the last time you saw it on anyone but a homeless guy who copped from the salvation army or whatever? Like you seein sean john, rocawear, and all that. This ain't Dave giving LTD's to bums, this is str8 up fashion passing.

so damn true. when i was getting into that in the early 90s i didn't know what's up just liked what i was wearing and people looked at me weird because i had too big pants. same people rocked them a year later and probably still do.

2007 will be the year of rise and fall. some brands will drop because they have no real foundation and just went with the hype. individual styles will rock. think about acronym they don't care about the hype but make some of the best jackets in the world. such brands are made to stay. a brand like the hundreds goes straight the lrg way and if you look how bobby and ben branded themselves they will suceed. too many kids out there want to be part of this lifestyle and think they can buy it.

its the good old way. selling dreams to kids.

SupremeXJesus
01-05-2007, 06:30 AM
Yeah everyone already says that. Just cuz dude has a blog and shit. But he does have good grammer, so he must be commended.

nick
01-05-2007, 08:50 AM
Great point, but his execution was not the best.

Ill @ Will
01-05-2007, 09:02 AM
He had some good points, but I'm tired of seeing cats wearing those cheap ass hoodies wit the gold foil on them. It looks cheap and the entire block is flooded wit that shit. I had on my dead serious hoody and people lookin @ me like I'm crazy, but the dude wit the foil $ sign hoodie can walk by, man ATL need some help on fashion.

sherman_vu
01-05-2007, 01:20 PM
good read.

vincexx
01-05-2007, 02:29 PM
like someone else said a while ago brands are going to actuallly have to start designing in 2007 instead of copying each other

word.

1ahB
01-05-2007, 05:30 PM
very nice write

newera84
01-05-2007, 09:55 PM
So when I discovered HB I realized that these little pukes are about as hard as marshmallows, and they are basically faking the funk.

i blame the internet.. kids you can live life off other peoples blogs

Dj Is So Real
01-05-2007, 10:19 PM
tru tru

rare23
01-05-2007, 11:30 PM
He senselessly mentioned Malcolm Gladwell's idea of the "tipping point." I say senselessly because he mentions it and then his ideas disagree with it, specifically when he says

I do not think only the youth can change this future, I think that new ideas can come out of anyone at anytime.

The "tipping point" occurs when individuals with distinct personalities have the ability to start a trend, not just anyone. Poor writing.. anyway, my thoughts on the issue are as follows- the death of urban street wear is near. The innovators in society or rather the people who were into the street wear scene four years ago are just that - innovators. They went into the street wear scene because it was their way of being original and different from others. Take note that these are not your average people; others look up to them. That's seen by how much the street wear scene has blown up in the past year. Since these innovators want to be original, as soon as the culture that they create blows up, they move on. In essence what this means is that whether you like it or not, those weird individuals that you see scrimmaging through Soho are not so weird, as a matter of fact they're ahead of time.

ClutchNY
01-07-2007, 11:31 AM
"street culture" is NOT a fad...its been around seen the Sugar hill gang...its just evolved over the years. and i think ) hopefully, 2007 will be the year for it to get more suttle and mature IMO

FEL
01-07-2007, 01:47 PM
good read

jamster
01-07-2007, 01:55 PM
very good article, i think he makes interesting points but i dont think streetwear is over, it will never be over cause there will never be a dry spell of good ideas to make money.

alex39k
01-08-2007, 01:12 AM
"My culture's not a trend, being Black is not in
But for you it's just a phase you're gonna have to transcend
While even if I tried, I could never blend in
To society's mainstream, American dream
Yeah, it's all one love, but remember one thing
This music is my life, not a cultural fling" - Murs

james19
01-08-2007, 01:23 AM
well written,
it may be what most people have mentioned at some point or another in this forum but all sewn up and compiled into a good read

SBJmarT
01-08-2007, 01:38 AM
He had some good points, but I'm tired of seeing cats wearing those cheap ass hoodies wit the gold foil on them. It looks cheap and the entire block is flooded wit that shit. I had on my dead serious hoody and people lookin @ me like I'm crazy, but the dude wit the foil $ sign hoodie can walk by, man ATL need some help on fashion.

ya they do wen are the dudes in Atl gunna stop buying dead serious hoodies o the tin foil gold ones too my bad, im hoping someone comes out with something like real soon that changes it up but u know once that happens then this year is gunna be that fad over and over by every company, same thing that happened last year maybe this year it will just be plain hoodies who knos but its gonna go on just like the all over prints did and well have him writing another entry where he talks about 2007 and how 2008 will bring change

Mr.Londoner
04-15-2007, 03:38 PM
interesting.. but have read the same on other forums..

it's nice to have it all in one article to read.

rico227
04-15-2007, 04:07 PM
its just clothes
co-sign, no offense to him, but i think dude has too much time on his hands gettin preachy about clothes... come on man... "its just clothes"

B.Hicks
04-15-2007, 04:14 PM
wtf.. this thread is like 4 months old.

Lostbryan
04-15-2007, 04:17 PM
Leave the gravediggin to the Rza and (word I dont care to type)mortis.

emazingsole
04-15-2007, 11:24 PM
ya dont wait in line or buy anything good or that you really like, go to footlocker and H&M and get your coolguy on.

Daddy Wellfare
04-16-2007, 01:07 AM
someone has a case of the street wear blues.

i'm picking up what he's putting down!

loxdupe
04-16-2007, 02:38 PM
hype is gone, its the after stock now. ?)

Chromedome
04-17-2007, 01:50 AM
so basically he wrote a loong drawn out essay about how styles change over time.