The Problem with Streetwear...

[homi]

The problem with streetwear right now, is that companies rely more on the designs than the quality of the garments. I think for the prices that companies are charging , more stuff should be Cut/Sew, especially with higher end goods such as hoodies/sweaters.


I mean just look at BAPE, the quality ive heard has been declining even though prices stayed the same .I wouldn't feel bad droppin 3bills if i knew it was top quality materials/construction like NDG(for example) or even Supreme.

Also with smaller brands like the Hundreds, who i love. Ive been buying their tees for a minute, but i saw the hoodies in person, and they're WAY too thin esp for cold CAnadian winters. They were selling for $100 at ransom, and i think thats way too much for just a screenprinted hoody.

So lets put some pressure on these guys to step up their game, i love supporting independent companies, just wish their stuff was a little higher quality in the details

[pwnzj00]

Some hoodys are thin, others are thick. Just gotta do your research. I will say i was a bit disappointed in the quality of my Icecream tee i got...but my Supreme tee is super nice. It just all depends on who makes it, where it comes from, etc. Ask people before you buy would be my best suggestion...

[Azz]

true about some hoodies being thick and others being thin

[homi]

well its not just the thickness
but little details

like the drawstring, the kangeroo pocket, metal zips etc

[andrew3sixteen]

its not that easy dude....

for indie companies starting out, its just not possible to do cut n' sew. yes, LRG sells shirts for $24 retail and so do smaller companies, but the reason LRG can do it is because they have crazy high quantities and their tshirts end up costing about $1-$2 max even with custom cuts, tool tape, and advanced application techniques (flocking, gel prints, numerous colors). when you're making 100-500 of a particular design, your shirts end up costing a whole lot more per unit and you still have to price yourself within what the market expects (i.e. $20-$30 retail). people generally get pretty miffed when they realize that it only costs about $5-$8 to silkscreen and tag a blank tee and it sells in a store for $25.... they think the company is laughing all the way to the bank. it's not that simple though. take that, add in advertising and trade shows (without some sort of marketing, its hard to even get the word out on your brand... the market is so oversaturated that you need to get your product/brand in front of consumers and buyers somehow).... and companies are just barely getting by. ask indie streetwear companies - we all are either just squeaking by or have a side hustle to put food on the table; sometimes both.

also keep in mind that just because ransom is selling the hundreds hoody for $100, that doesnt mean that the hundreds are charging $50 wholesale for it. ransom can charge whatever they like and if they are selling it at that price, why not. the hundreds arent exactly responsible for that.

i do agree that companies should carefully select their blanks and try to offer their consumers the best quality product possible, but believe me homi - its not possible for small lines to put together cut and sew items. it takes several years of building up funds (or investment money) and certain quantities to make it happen. the end result is this.... you are paying for the originality and quality of the design (exactly what you mentioned). sure you could pay the same amount for a cut n' sew sean john hoody, but you wont.

its a tough businesss.

[homi]

I appreciate the long and well thought out reply.

I understand many of the issues that independent brands face, and I will so go through and meet the same issues, when im starting up my own brand..

I understand the difficulty and expense of doing cut & sew. But my main point is that even with printed/screened items, the base blank should be given more thought. Theres brands out there who do provide decent quality blanks at a reasonable price, and thus i dont see why more indie labels dont seek out those type of materials.

I believe that if a cheaper hoody/t-shirt blank is used, the cost should reflect that and not hinge entirely on the design/"brand" popularity.

Sure with cases like the hundreds, they might not have the resources to put out the higheset quality materials into a hoody. But certainly with BAPE , they should make no cuts in material/quality, like i've heard some BAPEheads complain about

[andrew3sixteen]

homi-

agreed, a lot of people dont really think too hard about what they are offering their customer. i wish more labels would. things like nicer tags and embellishments make blanks a bit nicer, even if they arent 100% custom. now, a lot of cats wont even notice that a company is using blanks, but to the more discerning customer certainly will. i cant tell you how many times i check out a shirt and the original tag is hacked off poorly, with threads hanging all over the place. that sucks.... brands should have better quality control and quit putting out cheap and halfhearted efforts. not all consumers will notice, but many will.

as for brands like bape cutting corners, i agree that's really weak. especially for the money thats being charged, there's no reason to not offer more for the money.

[hollywood starzz]

Im not the one to jump into peoples business but this topic was so good I had to jump in.Andrew3sixteen and homi you both are absoluetly right about the indie and big companies.I myself have a clothing line on the rise for this year and I agree with what you said about the thin/thick hoody issues.But when buying this stuff you wanna know what kind of quality your getting first hand.I have asked a couple of people where to get good quality hoodies and sweaters but most have told me to order online.If finding this stuff is a problem then what are we to do???

[homi]

its true, it definitely is hard finding good quality suppliers

but for that u gotta do more work/research, in the end, the clothing industry like any other is controlled by connections, and in that regard, u gotta have a name/reputation b4 u get connections. Which is kind of a paradox...

but i would start by looking around at different brands, seeing what they use, or just looking at blanks. Try to keep an open eye out and try out as many brands as possible and map shit out before u get too deep into creating ur own clothing

[Fresh King Of M.I.A]

what is cut and sewn exactly like whats so great about it

[carlos]

My beef with companies, big or small, is that some can't tell the difference between simplicity in design and poor craftsmanship. A well-place scribble on a tee can make a brand (just ask Shawn Stussy) but a poorly hacked tag replaced with a "Name" can leave you feeling cheated (as, until recently, I've often felt when I've bought some UNDFTD tees over the years that were essentially shoddy tags hastily sewn over xacto slices on a Hanes Beefy T).

What's more, not all hoody's were designed with Canadian weather in mind...and not all consumers want an ultra thin hoody. Choices, on both the supply and demand ends, are what make the marketplace.

[yuljo]

what is cut and sewn exactly like whats so great about it

Cut and sew is the process of cutting the fabric and sewing it to the clients specifications but generally the minimums are high and is a higher risk. Small brands often will just buy blanks (premade garments) and just screenprint them or embellish them slightly.

[bnj]

would you rather have a so/so t' or hoodie knowing its a custom pattern, or a good cut knowing it was a blank from american apparel or AAA or something?

[tomxkaws]

try living in england

ud be on the street protesting about prices instead of posting in this topic

[homi]

would you rather have a so/so t' or hoodie knowing its a custom pattern, or a good cut knowing it was a blank from american apparel or AAA or something?

Cut & Sew is generally higher quality, or AT least has the potential to be

having said that, i have no problem with AAA tees

the problem lies with more complicated items such as hoodies, and such

[DUM]

Yeah, The Hundreds is based out of LA (I think), a thick ass hoodie wouldn't make much sense. I really want to learn ways to add a custom feel to screenprinted garments. I need a sewing machine.

[xkrnmikelx]

The problem with streetwear right now, is that companies rely more on the designs than the quality of the garments. I think for the prices that companies are charging , more stuff should be Cut/Sew, especially with higher end goods such as hoodies/sweaters.


I mean just look at BAPE, the quality ive heard has been declining even though prices stayed the same .I wouldn't feel bad droppin 3bills if i knew it was top quality materials/construction like NDG(for example) or even Supreme.

Also with smaller brands like the Hundreds, who i love. Ive been buying their tees for a minute, but i saw the hoodies in person, and they're WAY too thin esp for cold CAnadian winters. They were selling for $100 at ransom, and i think thats way too much for just a screenprinted hoody.

So lets put some pressure on these guys to step up their game, i love supporting independent companies, just wish their stuff was a little higher quality in the details

but thats how all companies are. nike, lrg, etc..........first is good quality to get the sales going than more shittier quality after the brand gets well known.

[homi]

Yeah, The Hundreds is based out of LA (I think), a thick ass hoodie wouldn't make much sense. I really want to learn ways to add a custom feel to screenprinted garments. I need a sewing machine.

werd, didnt mean to single out the hundreds, i think their shit's dope

but its mainly an issue in terms of companies not taking the time to look into the details

[carlos]

would you rather have a so/so t' or hoodie knowing its a custom pattern, or a good cut knowing it was a blank from american apparel or AAA or something?

Good question.

I'd much prefer a good cut knowing it was a blank from AAA than a so-so tee done from scratch because I'm not expecting a company to grow cotton, loom their own tees and get pigments from the earth...I'm merely expecting them to pay attention to the details of how they customize that tee to make it their own. A so-so custom job feels like a company's biting off more than they could chew in order to "keep it real".

I say, let the t-shirt makers do what they're good at (i.e. making tees) and let the up-and-coming designers do what they're good at (i.e. filling an artistic void in the fashion industry by creatively placing graphics on tees deliberately, and with passion).

As a matter of fact, I say cut the tag completely off and screen the sizing/wash info on the tee in a hue slightly different than the tee just like some companies are currently doing these days (UNKL, Situationormal, etc.) Feels good on the back, it's cheaper and looks cooler than some tees with tags.

[bnj]

even hoodies,
a pretty popular brand (i wont name and shame, that'd be mean) recently put out some hoodies, and unless youre 5 feet tall and 6 feet wide, it fits like a weird potato sack. i much rather would have had a nice blank with the graphics they used than the weird ass cut/sew pattern they used to make their hoodies.

[Fresh King Of M.I.A]

even hoodies,
a pretty popular brand (i wont name and shame, that'd be mean) recently put out some hoodies, and unless youre 5 feet tall and 6 feet wide, it fits like a weird potato sack. i much rather would have had a nice blank with the graphics they used than the weird ass cut/sew pattern they used to make their hoodies.
lmao..pm me and tell me

[homi]

i dont have too much beef with brands using tees , because their standards, and blanks work fine generally, as long as u throw on a custom tag , or some details it works fine.

but with hoodies and the like, it makes a bigger diff

[Espresso]

I don't really have beef and I can't really say that my style is streets anyhow. I honestly want to see and feel what people here as well as other places think about certain brands.

Does the brand get you going? Models, celebs?

For example, undftd, bapes, futura, stash, supreme, st. aflred's, etc. Do these brand really do what they do? Do they stick to a vision, style, design that set's them apart? Do people just like them cuz people are HYPING them? or do they really like the design?

Those who are REALLY into it please let me know. I seen the botiques here and there, and honestly, I don't buy shirts, designs, hoodies for what the hype make it out to be. I'll buy the shirt for ITS DESIGN, not for the brand, or the 'society acceptance' factor. I look at quality, price, cutting, etc. etc.

But to others, what do these small botiques represent? Why do you keep going back?

I can see how this links SO MUCH to the HIP HOP, URBAN, STREET, AMERICAN culture, but I don't understand why people rep tees and recognize ONLY SPECIFIC brands.

I rarely see something I like, but when I do, I don't mind paying $40 or whatever it is for a regular TEE. The thing is, I sometimes feel like people MISTAKEN me for who and what I do. I know I don't dress to appease others, but you get a sense of insecurity that people might think your just another one of those KIDS trying to fit in, trynna be hip hop, listen to rap, wear over sized jersey, put the new era sticker here and there.

But in the end, I don't really care how they think, but just something for thought. I guess what I'm trynna say is that, what sets you in the mind frame of BUYING these specific STREET brands?? What keeps you going (honest kind)? It's okay if you say, it's for hype, for trynna be like JAY-Z, pharell , etc. People to busy trynna achieve that look.
Great discussion by the way.

[Fresh King Of M.I.A]

espresso speak real shit..cause a lot of these hyped up brands is asscrumbs

[homi]

Yeah, The Hundreds is based out of LA (I think), a thick ass hoodie wouldn't make much sense. I really want to learn ways to add a custom feel to screenprinted garments. I need a sewing machine.

heh in canada a thicker hoodie is needed in spring, fall, and winter :rofl:

[jobeboje]

I think for quality it really depends on the company and the costs. Although the Hundreds appears to be huge you can tell they are dedicated to making a good product but probably really cant afford or justify the cost of getting supreme quality product and try for the next best thing and forget about cut and sew these independent companies would probably have a hard time doing that. (I dont own a hundreds hoody so not sure on the quality)

[orisue]

We share the same problem over here at Orisue, well at least for now. From a small company's stand point of view, its extremely hard to do quality check and assure minimal room for errors because we have to work with what we have. In addition, it cuts down costs in order to make them available for the customers.

[orisue]

Everything Andrew said is correct.

[homi]

We share the same problem over here at Orisue, well at least for now. From a small company's stand point of view, its extremely hard to do quality check and assure minimal room for errors because we have to work with what we have. In addition, it cuts down costs in order to make them available for the customers.

i understand, i'll still support indie brands as long i feel the effort , and design is there. I mean i dont hold it against brands that they cant afford to go cut and sew..

id just hope that they make the best effort within their means to ensure quality.

I just want to know that things like quality blank tees/hoodies/sweaters used are considered, at the very least..

[orisue]

Awesome Homi. Thanks.

[homi]

and just so everyone out there knows, the little details really do impress customers


getting good service, fast shipping, free stickers, metal zippers, well done custom tags all contribute positively to the brand

[orisue]

Basically good business practice.

[dnice]

It's all in the details...

[trungtao]

I don't really have beef and I can't really say that my style is streets anyhow. I honestly want to see and feel what people here as well as other places think about certain brands.

Does the brand get you going? Models, celebs?

For example, undftd, bapes, futura, stash, supreme, st. aflred's, etc. Do these brand really do what they do? Do they stick to a vision, style, design that set's them apart? Do people just like them cuz people are HYPING them? or do they really like the design?

Those who are REALLY into it please let me know. I seen the botiques here and there, and honestly, I don't buy shirts, designs, hoodies for what the hype make it out to be. I'll buy the shirt for ITS DESIGN, not for the brand, or the 'society acceptance' factor. I look at quality, price, cutting, etc. etc.

But to others, what do these small botiques represent? Why do you keep going back?

I can see how this links SO MUCH to the HIP HOP, URBAN, STREET, AMERICAN culture, but I don't understand why people rep tees and recognize ONLY SPECIFIC brands.

I rarely see something I like, but when I do, I don't mind paying $40 or whatever it is for a regular TEE. The thing is, I sometimes feel like people MISTAKEN me for who and what I do. I know I don't dress to appease others, but you get a sense of insecurity that people might think your just another one of those KIDS trying to fit in, trynna be hip hop, listen to rap, wear over sized jersey, put the new era sticker here and there.

But in the end, I don't really care how they think, but just something for thought. I guess what I'm trynna say is that, what sets you in the mind frame of BUYING these specific STREET brands?? What keeps you going (honest kind)? It's okay if you say, it's for hype, for trynna be like JAY-Z, pharell , etc. People to busy trynna achieve that look.
Great discussion by the way.

Bape and Supreme don't sell clothing only, they sell a lifestyle. Maybe in the U.S. you will see some people who only have one Bape tee on but in Japan, HK, England you will see people Baped out head to toe. And it's not that they're trying to dress up, they're like that everyday.

Crooks and Castles and recent brands like that are going off of Hype only. I personally think their designs stink.

Fashion nowadays is hard, whether it be streetwear or high-fashion. People don't view a piece of clothing as art that you're living in anymore. It's about selling a lifestyle. Think about it, why do people buy Louis Vuitton bags? They're not even that great of bags, people just want it because the general consensus is that if you have one you want people/or you yourself want to think you live this luxurious lifestyle.

When, that's not the case at all. I could put up pics of Chloe bags or Hermes bags that for one of those, you could have about 5 LV bags. But not a lot of the dumb bitches you see have those bags, why? Because LV is really pushing monograms and branding, they're building the lifestyle around the brand rather than an actual great stylish bag.

It's all about what lifestyle you live... or would aspire to live. Those are the brands people will wear nowadays.

[B.Hicks]

^great post. i co-sign on some levels.

[hellah fresh]

Yeah, The Hundreds is based out of LA (I think), a thick ass hoodie wouldn't make much sense. I really want to learn ways to add a custom feel to screenprinted garments. I need a sewing machine.

My mama got a sewing machine... $25 dolla! Lol

[dnice]

hmmm...someone has a name similar to mine on this forum. :(


i can attest ive seen some pretty shady quality from even established brands such as undefeated and union...but then again, their retail prices for sweatshirts are usually around $89. i have sweatshirts (hoodies) from both union and undefeated that either ripped easily, or developed holes at the seams within a month or so.

its really not that huge of an issue though. QC falls by the waistside when large demand has to be met by volume. im not mad at any of these retailers or brands. theyre striking while the iron is hot.


I thought it was odd that you said poor quality is not that huge of an issue. If quality isn't number one, then why support a brand? If a brand can't balance quality & quantity they shouldn't be in business. You like wearing poorly made gear? The consumer should demand more and these companies should take pride in what they do.

I know that some are in this just for the money, but those people/companies will eventually fail unless they become bulletproof by all the hype from the blogs. Not to hate...but you mentioned UNDFTD rockwell...after reading about them the past year you would of thought they had invented a cure for cancer. I finally checked out some gear and was like wtf? Maybe I'm missing something, but what's so groundbreaking about this brand? Especially if people are saying they have quality issues. It's cool gear, but in my eyes the hype has overshadowed the actual products. Seems to be happening more and more these days. The Internet is both a blessing and a curse.

BTW: I respect UNDFTD and am really not that familiar with the brand's previous gear or their history, I just don't think they are bringing the earth shattering products to market that you would think they are, after you've read any streetwear blogs for a while.

Amen trungtao.

[Newschool]

I don't really have beef and I can't really say that my style is streets anyhow. I honestly want to see and feel what people here as well as other places think about certain brands.

Does the brand get you going? Models, celebs?

For example, undftd, bapes, futura, stash, supreme, st. aflred's, etc. Do these brand really do what they do? Do they stick to a vision, style, design that set's them apart? Do people just like them cuz people are HYPING them? or do they really like the design?

Those who are REALLY into it please let me know. I seen the botiques here and there, and honestly, I don't buy shirts, designs, hoodies for what the hype make it out to be. I'll buy the shirt for ITS DESIGN, not for the brand, or the 'society acceptance' factor. I look at quality, price, cutting, etc. etc.

But to others, what do these small botiques represent? Why do you keep going back?

I can see how this links SO MUCH to the HIP HOP, URBAN, STREET, AMERICAN culture, but I don't understand why people rep tees and recognize ONLY SPECIFIC brands.

I rarely see something I like, but when I do, I don't mind paying $40 or whatever it is for a regular TEE. The thing is, I sometimes feel like people MISTAKEN me for who and what I do. I know I don't dress to appease others, but you get a sense of insecurity that people might think your just another one of those KIDS trying to fit in, trynna be hip hop, listen to rap, wear over sized jersey, put the new era sticker here and there.

But in the end, I don't really care how they think, but just something for thought. I guess what I'm trynna say is that, what sets you in the mind frame of BUYING these specific STREET brands?? What keeps you going (honest kind)? It's okay if you say, it's for hype, for trynna be like JAY-Z, pharell , etc. People to busy trynna achieve that look.
Great discussion by the way.

I usually lurk, but this is all real. Honestly all these brands look the same, just look at the all over print hoodies. Why do all these steetwear brands design a all over print now? Extremely corny to me why not be different and do style of jacket, just something different.

It just shows that, orginality lacks. Nothing but followers tyring to make a buck. Personally I started buying different lines/shoes because I was tired of looking and dressing like everybody I see.

[hellah fresh]

I usually lurk, but this is all real. Honestly all these brands look the same, just look at the all over print hoodies. Why do all these steetwear brands design a all over print now? Extremely corny to me why not be different and do style of jacket, just something different.

It just shows that, orginality lacks. Nothing but followers tyring to make a buck. Personally I started buying different lines/shoes because I was tired of looking and dressing like everybody I see.

All over prints is a hot trend at the moment. But if you get Gucci or LV its the OG of allover prints. But yes sometimes clothing company makes cheap quality clothes witch sucks.

[Mixerfriendly]

I think most companies start out with the best intentions, but start looking at there margin once they get some shine.
The first thing to go is quality of fabric, thinking that there customer won't notice a 50 gram decrease.
Sacrificing quality for better margin is the best way to lose a core customer.

[curiouscharles]

Yeah, The Hundreds is based out of LA (I think), a thick ass hoodie wouldn't make much sense. I really want to learn ways to add a custom feel to screenprinted garments. I need a sewing machine.

get a girlfriend who's a wicked seamstress (like me ;p) and then for bonus points, move in with girls who are also seamstresses (also like me ;p)

[homi]

wow good to see my old thread somehow got revived

[Espresso]

Bape and Supreme don't sell clothing only, they sell a lifestyle. Maybe in the U.S. you will see some people who only have one Bape tee on but in Japan, HK, England you will see people Baped out head to toe. And it's not that they're trying to dress up, they're like that everyday.

Crooks and Castles and recent brands like that are going off of Hype only. I personally think their designs stink.

Fashion nowadays is hard, whether it be streetwear or high-fashion. People don't view a piece of clothing as art that you're living in anymore. It's about selling a lifestyle. Think about it, why do people buy Louis Vuitton bags? They're not even that great of bags, people just want it because the general consensus is that if you have one you want people/or you yourself want to think you live this luxurious lifestyle.

When, that's not the case at all. I could put up pics of Chloe bags or Hermes bags that for one of those, you could have about 5 LV bags. But not a lot of the dumb bitches you see have those bags, why? Because LV is really pushing monograms and branding, they're building the lifestyle around the brand rather than an actual great stylish bag.

It's all about what lifestyle you live... or would aspire to live. Those are the brands people will wear nowadays.

The quality on Supreme Tees are pathetic and the items and things they sell do not justify IMO. Once a brand has reached a level, they can sell based on their goodwill and 'hype', 'brand' as people see it.

Wearing bape from head to toe is just foolish IMO. I don't care how the lifestyle and hype is for one country but that fact is, your still BUYING INTO HYPE ! Bape is a brand and it's image and lifestyle as you put it is supposed to be exclusive, but the styles like the tribes, stas, and retros have been crap IMO.

I don't see why or how someone can just turn to a specific brand and wear it head to toe. What's so original and fashionable? It's like you look at the 'dolls' and 'mannequins' and wear whatever they're wearing.

Baped out is another topic on its own. >:(

People buy LV bags for the obvious reasons. It's because it represents something. Just like anything in life. A BRAND is a BRAND, you wear 'brand-level' brands to display and show that you can afford it, that you are this, you are that. People buy LV just to keeep up w/ their friends and as any materialistic stuff, it's to represent and image and status.

Haven't you seen by now that a BRAND represents that? It supposedly represents a lifestyle. You get that with the new 10 deep stuff, crooks. even LRG ! All those are LIFESTYLE. I will attest that LRG has kept its style and its own vibe. But i don't wear LRG ! But some others, it doesn't represent nothing. Some like the hundres, some design are wacked out and crap. C&C adn 10 deep are knock offs of one another.

Wear what you like because it's too fuking stupid to disect a brand. 1/2 the people don't give a shit what your wearing anyhow. Your only pleasing other hypebeasters ! I grew up on that, but I still appreciate and rep some brands for their style, for what they represent. However, I no longer buy the stuff they show on beast.

I trully appreciate the art, but even if its a brand w/ shitty print I won't support it. My friend loves GUCCI but I don't see how the print is nice. But the monogram by LVs, those are very nice.

LV bags aren't crap !!

Bottomline, the weak feeble minded will GIVE IN to a brand, will BUY head to TOE and matching clothes, will NOT improvise and style. These people are losers, they are fools ! They can't think and they think that it is CUSTOMARY to wear a certain way.> FOOLS BIYATCH !!!!!!!!

[Espresso]

Bape and Supreme don't sell clothing only, they sell a lifestyle. Maybe in the U.S. you will see some people who only have one Bape tee on but in Japan, HK, England you will see people Baped out head to toe. And it's not that they're trying to dress up, they're like that everyday.

Crooks and Castles and recent brands like that are going off of Hype only. I personally think their designs stink.

Fashion nowadays is hard, whether it be streetwear or high-fashion. People don't view a piece of clothing as art that you're living in anymore. It's about selling a lifestyle. Think about it, why do people buy Louis Vuitton bags? They're not even that great of bags, people just want it because the general consensus is that if you have one you want people/or you yourself want to think you live this luxurious lifestyle.

When, that's not the case at all. I could put up pics of Chloe bags or Hermes bags that for one of those, you could have about 5 LV bags. But not a lot of the dumb bitches you see have those bags, why? Because LV is really pushing monograms and branding, they're building the lifestyle around the brand rather than an actual great stylish bag.

It's all about what lifestyle you live... or would aspire to live. Those are the brands people will wear nowadays.

The quality on Supreme Tees are pathetic and the items and things they sell do not justify IMO. Once a brand has reached a level, they can sell based on their goodwill and 'hype', 'brand' as people see it.

Wearing bape from head to toe is just foolish IMO. I don't care how the lifestyle and hype is for one country but that fact is, your still BUYING INTO HYPE ! Bape is a brand and it's image and lifestyle as you put it is supposed to be exclusive, but the styles like the tribes, stas, and retros have been crap IMO.

I don't see why or how someone can just turn to a specific brand and wear it head to toe. What's so original and fashionable? It's like you look at the 'dolls' and 'mannequins' and wear whatever they're wearing.

Baped out is another topic on its own. >:(

People buy LV bags for the obvious reasons. It's because it represents something. Just like anything in life. A BRAND is a BRAND, you wear 'brand-level' brands to display and show that you can afford it, that you are this, you are that. People buy LV just to keeep up w/ their friends and as any materialistic stuff, it's to represent and image and status.

Haven't you seen by now that a BRAND represents that? It supposedly represents a lifestyle. You get that with the new 10 deep stuff, crooks. even LRG ! All those are LIFESTYLE. I will attest that LRG has kept its style and its own vibe. But i don't wear LRG ! But some others, it doesn't represent nothing. Some like the hundres, some design are wacked out and crap. C&C adn 10 deep are knock offs of one another.

Wear what you like because it's too fuking stupid to disect a brand. 1/2 the people don't give a shit what your wearing anyhow. Your only pleasing other hypebeasters ! I grew up on that, but I still appreciate and rep some brands for their style, for what they represent. However, I no longer buy the stuff they show on beast.

I trully appreciate the art, but even if its a brand w/ shitty print I won't support it. My friend loves GUCCI but I don't see how the print is nice. But the monogram by LVs, those are very nice.

LV bags aren't crap !!

Bottomline, the weak feeble minded will GIVE IN to a brand, will BUY head to TOE and matching clothes, will NOT improvise and style. These people are losers, they are fools ! They can't think and they think that it is CUSTOMARY to wear a certain way.> FOOLS BIYATCH !!!!!!!!

[trungtao]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

LV used to represent something, Louis Vuitton back when he was alive made suitcases for the aristocracies and others like them. 98% of people buying an LV bag do not represent royalty or anything close to it, they turned it into a commoner brand to make more money. In fact, the LV monogram was created by his son to stop all the counterfeiting. And, If you were stylish you wouldn't buy a monogram print bag in the first place.

[jjs home]

lv still represents something, if it didn't they couldn't possibly charge markups which are like 4 times the ones people on hypebeast bitch about for streetwear brands. THE QUALITY AIN'T worth it, but neither is it for any brand that your could ever buy. No mater what you do or buy your gonna lose plenty to whoevers giving you something or else why give? With that being said its the NAME that maintains the brand for EVER brand, orelse there would be no brands, so regardless of they don't cater exclusively to royalty nowadays you will definetly see plenty of modern royalty sporting it just as hard. Mouna Ayoub is basicaly a Saudi Lebanese Queen/princess and she won't drive her without a 5000 dollar pair of LV gloves, so you can't say thats not royalty and what not. granted Lv is making its whole living off of royalty, but wheres your stone cold proof that whos buying it then is different from now? Same goes for you you feel makes supposedly more quality brands, its all the SAME bullshit, its just different scales and targets, but end of the day its the same shit.

honestly I just don't agree with you trung, branding is huge in everything, especialy fashion, and you can still be just as stylish with or without a monogram because fashion and style is all about how you do your thing for yourself, and it just depeds on what fits that day.

[Espresso]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

LV used to represent something, Louis Vuitton back when he was alive made suitcases for the aristocracies and others like them. 98% of people buying an LV bag do not represent royalty or anything close to it, they turned it into a commoner brand to make more money. In fact, the LV monogram was created by his son to stop all the counterfeiting. And, If you were stylish you wouldn't buy a monogram print bag in the first place.


Now that fudging gay and homo. Are you trying to caste system people? lol

A brand is represents something ! So even if it were for ROYALTY. HOw can you say its a commoner brand. That's so gay, selfish and pathetic. A smart brand would retain and yet the same time expand. Why don't you let people work hard, or earn it? It's not like they put LV bags on sale, or have LV represent a LOW CLASS ?

WTF you saying.

Your a fool if you believe you buy a brand tryign to ASPIRE. If you believe so, your a fool and a wannabe who can't achieve. Is that what your saying? A brand doesn't represent a lifestyle. It's a lifestyle for fools, but not for people who buy it for what it is ! Like I mentioned already, people buy it for their reasons. FOOLS buy it for 'SET, NAMED' reasons ! FOOLS give in to the marketing, and YES FOOLS are everywhere. THESE FOOLS are hypebeasts, cuz they only buy APPROVED apparel. I said it once and I'll say it again, I use to be like that (for very short time), as I just wanted whatever was 'hype', but it was stupid and I don't follow it no more. I don't cop the 'street' brands out there. FOOLS dress head to toe, cuz FOOLS can't think for shit.

I can say that 'bape' somewhat represented something, but now the designs are crap and the material has gone down hill just like Nike.

[trungtao]

No i'm not saying that you fool, i'm saying that in order to sell more, brands will sell lifestyles nowadays. A LOT, not all people, don't buy features, they buy benefits.

The average LV bag-specific buyer won't be like oooh I love the way this looks, I love the quality, it's more about.."What will people think of me when I have this? Will people think i'm rich or poor for having it?" Benefits.

I'm done with this because I don't care enough to make my point more clear. I think were not on the same page that's why everyone is so confused. You should calm down Espresso, you sound like you have a really bad inferiority complex.

Happy Holidays

[dnice]

wow good to see my old thread somehow got revived

word.

[Espresso]

No i'm not saying that you fool, i'm saying that in order to sell more, brands will sell lifestyles nowadays. A LOT, not all people, don't buy features, they buy benefits.

The average LV bag-specific buyer won't be like oooh I love the way this looks, I love the quality, it's more about.."What will people think of me when I have this? Will people think i'm rich or poor for having it?" Benefits.

I'm done with this because I don't care enough to make my point more clear. I think were not on the same page that's why everyone is so confused. You should calm down Espresso, you sound like you have a really bad inferiority complex.

Happy Holidays

I don't see your point though. It's the stated and common obvious though. A brand represents something. All companies have a 'vision' !

I'm nothing, I"m a POS. I am nothing, everyone is better than me. 8) >:( :P

So your saying people who buy the lifestyle and buy into the 'aspirations' of wearing head to toe in bapes because they've BOUGHT INTO the brand are cool?
I think your wrong completely about the LV bag, and material posessions. The hypebeast bandwagon will manifest itself over time and it gets tiring. It's hard and difficult for people to spend that amount of money only to please others. You'll find that less, in fact as you put it, the luxury people MIGHT THINK that way - not 'average' people. Celebrities and 'royalty' will worry what or how they will be judged by others.

I don't think that's the same with other things. With Jordans, people don't really have a choice. They are buying what they're given, we don't have a choice. We spend it for ourselves because we don't have as much alternatives as say some 'rich' person.

Your completely stag thinking that. People care how others view them, and some are more sensitive than others, but not MUCH if any (well nothing is 100%) will subject and pay that much for something THEY DISLIKE ! I've seen people RACK UP BILLS to appease, but they do so in the process of finding the balance, and finding something they like. Like the cars, people would have a retarded finance only to get a car, blah blah blah. (not gonna say, but u get the idea).

Girls buy what looks good, they don't buy to appease. They do so in presenting themselves. If your girl buys a bag only to battle, then she's wrong and she has the wrong mentality. If she is buys to make herself feel confident enough and satisfied for 'herself' then she'll be fine regardless. Don't let the BRAND WEAR YOU SON !

Go ask your girls. They will say they buy into the hype and all that, but in the process, they are buying something and a print they like, not what another girl has. A girl hates seeing the girl w/ the same dress at prom, a girl wants to be the 1st to get the newest bag. Again, its another topic in itself, but Happy Holidays.

It's a lonely Christmas for me because I bought an Old Navy bag and I was clutch dumped !

[trungtao]

What is clutch dumped? No i'm not saying those people are cool, i'm just simply saying that's what they do. I don't agree with it but that's the way it is.

[ackbar]

respect to anyone who was rationale enough to realize.....
personal style >>>>> name recognition

[steppingrazor]

I don't see your point though. It's the stated and common obvious though. A brand represents something. All companies have a 'vision' !

I'm nothing, I"m a POS. I am nothing, everyone is better than me. 8) >:( :P

So your saying people who buy the lifestyle and buy into the 'aspirations' of wearing head to toe in bapes because they've BOUGHT INTO the brand are cool?
I think your wrong completely about the LV bag, and material posessions. The hypebeast bandwagon will manifest itself over time and it gets tiring. It's hard and difficult for people to spend that amount of money only to please others. You'll find that less, in fact as you put it, the luxury people MIGHT THINK that way - not 'average' people. Celebrities and 'royalty' will worry what or how they will be judged by others.

I don't think that's the same with other things. With Jordans, people don't really have a choice. They are buying what they're given, we don't have a choice. We spend it for ourselves because we don't have as much alternatives as say some 'rich' person.

Your completely stag thinking that. People care how others view them, and some are more sensitive than others, but not MUCH if any (well nothing is 100%) will subject and pay that much for something THEY DISLIKE ! I've seen people RACK UP BILLS to appease, but they do so in the process of finding the balance, and finding something they like. Like the cars, people would have a retarded finance only to get a car, blah blah blah. (not gonna say, but u get the idea).

Girls buy what looks good, they don't buy to appease. They do so in presenting themselves. If your girl buys a bag only to battle, then she's wrong and she has the wrong mentality. If she is buys to make herself feel confident enough and satisfied for 'herself' then she'll be fine regardless. Don't let the BRAND WEAR YOU SON !

Go ask your girls. They will say they buy into the hype and all that, but in the process, they are buying something and a print they like, not what another girl has. A girl hates seeing the girl w/ the same dress at prom, a girl wants to be the 1st to get the newest bag. Again, its another topic in itself, but Happy Holidays.

It's a lonely Christmas for me because I bought an Old Navy bag and I was clutch dumped !

first off, reading your post hurt my brain. your sentence structure is lacking.

Secondly, people buy brands because they feel the brand says something about them. that being said, whatever they want the brand to say about htem, is up to their own interperatation. Some people buy a brand to belong with the crowd. some people buy a brand to assume the style the brand presents. some buy for status cuz other people cant afford it.

Brands like LV are NOT worth the money they cost, even for the status.

[Espresso]

first off, reading your post hurt my brain. your sentence structure is lacking.

Secondly, people buy brands because they feel the brand says something about them. that being said, whatever they want the brand to say about htem, is up to their own interperatation. Some people buy a brand to belong with the crowd. some people buy a brand to assume the style the brand presents. some buy for status cuz other people cant afford it.

Brands like LV are NOT worth the money they cost, even for the status.


Isn't that the obvious though? Everyone has their own interpretation of a brand, and their own reasons to buy it.

Brands like LV maintain their 'brand' and 'image'. It's up to each and every person's P.O.V. and that's why there are so many biases. People have difficulty looking and judging from a fair 'standpoint'. I guess that's just the way it is.

If your looking for cost x value then I don't think LV is worth it. But that's what BRAND NAME means. You no longer buy it for its value, but for the extra good will and your paying for the BRAND ! The same goes with TOMMY, Calvin Klein, etc. I'm sure you realize this, especially for apparel. Hell even the shoes we buy are not worth it.

[Newschool]

What I don't understand is why the fuck does it matter so much?? I posted awhile back in this post expressing how I felt but fuck. Were taking about how other people should and shouldn't wear certain items? Who the fuck are we to decide that? When you see something wear fape,bape, fake jordans, or LV purse you not going to say shit to their face your just going to look, and like a pussy post on this forum or niketalk/iss. So in the long run fuck it wear what you wear.

[steppingrazor]

its because people like to think they are above others. anyway you can get up on someone, most people will take that opportunity. just human nature.

[tommyroks]

What I don't understand is why the fuck does it matter so much?? I posted awhile back in this post expressing how I felt but fuck. Were taking about how other people should and shouldn't wear certain items? Who the fuck are we to decide that? When you see something wear fape,bape, fake jordans, or LV purse you not going to say shit to their face your just going to look, and like a pussy post on this forum or niketalk/iss. So in the long run fuck it wear what you wear.

dam so angry..but i know wht u mean tho..I careless if some dude is rockin fake blah/