Clothing Comps judged by their fashion skillz, or by how many stars got it? OPINIONS!

[The Contagious Hater]

Now I won't name companies..Cause maybe that's a liiiittle too much hate for some of ya'll to take. Especially since some of you might be ever so offended by someone else's opinion...

But..

What do you think about the clothing companies that got big because they know some rapper by luck or someshit. That you know if they wasn't ODing with stars or if they didn't know Moderators on Hypebeast or any other forum. that they would be doin' bad?

I don't know. I've seen alot of Indie companies that got some fire work out there, and they're thriving and doing their thing. But those other companies that got garbage out are the ones in the spotlight because they made all their friends join the forum so they can spit mad junk about how "OMG, THAT IS SO AWESOME. GIMME DAT."
And we all know what that does. If you see a shirt by some bum, with 4 pages on how awesome it is, that makes the lil teens go crazy cause its [B]HYPE...

I don't know. I see alot of that. Companies who put their hearts into designs and have maybe 7 things just for STARTERS. And their shit is what should be makin' it out there.
But then there are those cats who got 2 wack designs but because they asked their cousin's friends's brother's uncle, who knows the hairdresser that has a sister married to a friend of Nelly to beg that fool to wear the doodoo shirt. And once we got a picture of that ERRRbody wants it.

That's wack.
Your work should be enough to make the eyes pop.
Not seeing some celebrity who don't care about you wearing a shirt you secretly don't like, wear it. But you know how ya'll gotta fit in. =[

What happen to wearing what makes YOU, yourself, feel good? Or wearing a shirt that has something behind it; a message of sorts. I dunno. But the day I see a person screen print a picture of doodoo on a shirt and make a movie star/rapper where it, and its all over hypebeast as the hottest trend for the summer, I'm moving to Mars.

Are you with me?
xD:rofl:

[Jest]

there's 2 type of people in this world..

The Leaders:
i'll narrow it down to 2 examples of leaders 'You' would fall into the later.

a) An artist/star/actor/politition etc
They lead the way through their craft, a rapper does exactly the same. They inspire un-subconciously, food, taste, fashion, direction.

b) An individual non-conforming to the above mentioned a), through your own judgements, intuition and beliefs you walk against the flow of crowd and pave your own individual leadership role, eventually also inspiring those around you in (although not in a mass arena), food, taste, fashion, direction. Eventually rubbing and creating other individual leaders and then creating a niche culture.. this is what Bape was in Japan before they cmae anywhere near the states.

Followers:
here is a definition of followers on a whole you can define it in your each own personal way:

The average human being has an inherent dislike of work and will avoid if he or she can.
2. Because of this human characteristic of dislike of work, most people must be controlled, directed, and threatened with punishment to get them to put forth adequate effort toward the achievement of organizational objectives.
3. The average human being prefers to be directed, wishes to avoid responsibility, has relatively little ambition, wants security above all.

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niche cultures have been created by your same mind-set.... but thrives on the people keeping their opinions hushed.. so as brands they love don't have a trap for falling into what happened to Bape.. this is putting it bland.. again please define thie above paragraph in your own way.

[Kicks Reign Supreme]

Read my post in this forum, I definetely agree with you.

[The Contagious Hater]

-shrug-

I get you Jest, I just didn't feel like quoting all your points, but well said.

I remember when Babe sneakers were overlooked because they [and i've heard this before] were the bootleg AF1's. But now everybody's a feen for things they didn't know about unless a certain celebrity wore it.

And for me to pay 700 and up for a sweater,that sweater better make me breakfast and climb ONTO me and keep me warm in -30 degrees.

Hah.
But as I was saying, I just wished that more attention was brought to the better companies who show a bit more individuality other than following what's already out.
But I guess it's who you know, not what you know.
And even if its original, I bet you it's still compared to something it has no link to..

Hmm.
=]

[BORNKING]

your right, but that why you need to start your own clothing line so you can make a difference, hahah

but i most def hear you!

[The Contagious Hater]

And that's why there's something called Contagion.
And it's time for you people to get infected with the better knowledge.

LoL.
=]

[jjs home]

Yo dawg your names hater, so get it poppin. If you won't I will, all you can name names and I'll give my opinions on whats poppin and whats bullshit, because I don't really give a fuck. I'm nothing close to a hater, I just don't believe in diluting my opinions for the sake of peoples feelings, and plus at the end of the day they are just my personal opinions frmo my vantage pointy. Beyond all this at the REAL end of the day the cream rises to the top.

Beyond that I feel you 100%, however I take more notice to the effect via the internet, because I don't watch any television relating to pop culture beyond MTV JAMS. I don't regard Jams in the same ways as other shows like 106 and Parks or TRL's because you don't get the crowd reactions or see how the videos have influenced their tastes, because Jams is just you and the videos. However on the internet I see a lot of fakin the funk to make freinds, and I find that funny because a real friend isn't a yes man. In addressing the internet and these message boards, blogs, I agree 100% theres alot of these co-called followers addressed previosly rushing to read these sites, and it essentially has put many followers into leader positions with poor outcome.

beyond all that if you wanna make this the keep it very real post go head, I will go right along and maybe some people will open their eyes to whats going on in the supposed "culture" at the moment.

[Hybrid Moments]

So you mean to tell me if Jay Z wanted to wear your shit, you wouldn't want him to?? C'mon dude, that's promotion right there. I mean, if you're suckin' d!ck to get someone to wear it, that's a different story. As long as you don't sellout, then who cares.

[contaygious]

there's nothing wrong with expsure if you are doing you the whole time. I mean I have been rockin jordans for a long time and I have like 40 pairs and a lot of people have them, but it doesn't stop me from wearing em because I'm doing me. I like dunks too, but not just DUnks in general, but I like specific pairs and so I buy them.

This whole pattern printed thing may seem old to you guys, but it's new to me and I like some of it and I don't like others, but to me what ever is hot is hot I am a victim of checking threads about stuff that people hype up, but that doesn't mean I will like it/buy it.

Bape has cool patterns but is too expensive for me, I would rather get like 10 hoodies then 1 bape hoodie. Mike and thhundereds are comin with some cold hoodies and I will get them cuz I like them - end of story.

If there are cool indie companies out there making dope shit then post links and hype em so I can check some more shit out! If it's tyte, it's tyte nahmean?

[KillaKate]

life is all about who you know. and how you promote.Nobody wants to be a starving artist.yeah yeah you can try to "keep it real" or whatever that means, but you wont make any money.

Shit. If jay Z or nelly called me asking for shoes, I may not like them at all, but you sure as hell better believe im makin dude 45 pairs of sneakers in a heartbeat.

[The Contagious Hater]

The difference to me is if I beg these guys to wear it and I run around all day trying to get into studios, and throwin' shirts at them people. LoL

But if Jay Z came up to ME, or called ME, I dunno. I still don't think I care if he wore it or not. LoL. Most of the guys don't like the shit, they just put it on because their stylist knows somebody who knows somebody and etc etc..

Maybe I'm just crazy, but you'll never see me hunt down the guys to put my stuff on.

Oh well.
=]

[Hybrid Moments]

Word up. Ever hear of people getting a job and shit cuz of who they know over the dude with qualifications?

And best believe if Jay Z's stylist told me to drive pretty much anywhere in the tri-state area to drop off something from my line for him to wear in a video, I'm stealing a car for that shit. You know what does that for your career? It's a wraparizzle.

[Egpt!?]

so...let me get this straight...you come here with hate post #121324545346 , say that those companys are sell outs just cause they made sure some celebrities used their clothes? honestly im kinda getting tired of all these posts claiming to be from people who claim to be the ESSENCE of whatever, there's like 2 new threads everyday about this. this looks like underground hip hop artists all over again, claiming to be underground and not being sell outs just because no one actually cared about them and they weren't able to score one number 1 single. at the end of the day, everyone works trying to make the most money out of that work, and if you say otherwise, you are lying , period.
honestly, i do like bapestas, i do like some bape stuff, i do like evisu(way before rappers even knew that evisu existed), i do think most bape stuff is ugly as fuck and overpriced , i do think that people that buy camo hoodies for 800 dollars+ are either milionnaires(and we can't blame them for that right?) or a fucking piece of retarded human brain, but what can i do about it? do hate post #1000000000000000000? honestly, hating bape and clothing companys that are actually doing well, is getting more played out than actually wearing it.
clothing companys are all about marketing if we are talking about profits when selling to the general public, so you better make the best out of your marketing tools.
Like i said, those hate posts to promote your own clothing companies are getting played out. if you actually think that about hypebeast users, that we only care about what celebrities wear, then why did you come here with your small talk? we won't care about the clothes you do unless you get some celebrities, right?so you better get your hustlin and harrasin celebrities game on, or else we won't care about you!L0L.
you are really starting in the wrong foot in my opinion, although i do agree with most of the stuff you said, there's really no point in saying it, cuz kids will still be kids and actual hypebeasters will still be hypebeasters after your post, and they will be wearing the latest gay trend pharrell came up with.
now please, stop with all this fucking non-sense threads, with all the "i agree" replys, you spend way too much time thinking about that stuff. NIGO was a millionaire due to bathing ape way before pharrell jumped on the bandwagon, so just go do your thing, and for now, you can only dream of reaching the success of clothing companys like bape. Work hard, and it may actually come true.
and if you say you would never be a sell-out like that, that's ok, but at least don't hate when you see those clothing companys owner's riding benz, rolls royce, lexus or whatever they feel like or just acting rich on tv, cuz they also worked hard for it and all you should do is respect their success and actually be happy for them.

[orisue]

Egpt?

I agree with you.

Money will make people stop frontin' like you don't need it and thats real.

Those before us will always be those before us. Just be happy for them that they have succeeded. Use that energy and inspiration so that one day you can be as successful as them as well. Theres nothing else to it. Gravitate and help those around you.

[jeremy]

damn all the brands getting up on this thread haha

[orisue]

Whats good Jeremy!!!

[Brick James]

I say, who cares. I understand if you're hard at work on your clothing another company with shitty designs passing you will piss you off, but if you make good clothes, they will speak for themselves and you'll get noticed. As for the company riding a star's coat tails to fame. I dont hate, they need food in their stomachs and money in their pockets just like everybody else. They know that their clothes alone wont get them money so they did the smart thing, got some1 with influence to wear their shit.