Aight lets be real Vol. 1

[Tronics]

Seeing as certain peeps think that HB forum is full happy clapping bape fanatics, who praise everything and critique nothing....

So this thread is just for peeps to get a lil' something off their chest. So if there’s certain brands that piss you off, or a particular site that talks esss then let it be know.

1. The Hundreds - Now im a great advocate for indie brands, they were the first thing that got me interested in the whole street wear scene, coming from a skating background. But it has to be said that The Hundreds seem to hold a whole lot of power which the sometimes misuse. For instance the whole Pharrell situation; now if you're 'IN' with the whole skating scene then you'll know that peeps have been raising concerns over Pharrell's constant skating claims from day! As we all knew he would 'sell out' one way or the other and leave the skate scene exposed to suit and ties!
Just leave it be! We all know that Pharrell's brand of skating doesn’t appeal to the core skating community. And we all know that the Ice Cream team is just a marketing ploy, but is there any need to openly burn him like that! Is Plain Gravy that weak a brand that they needed controversy to 'hype' interest!

2. BB$ - Now come on! I must not be the only one that thinks they only have hype because of The Hundreds. The first tees were hideous, they may have some deep connotations to the past but they didn't do it for me at all. Just because they get drunk and go to every party in the world doesn’t mean the clothing is any good, does it? It just helps that they're all attractive, cause as we all know Myspace land loves them all to no end...

3. A.L.I.E.N - I love this brand some of the pieces are really nice, but that blog made me laugh so hard!

Like I said in the previous post, i'm going to let you guys get into my brain. How I feel about anything and EVERYTHING. From Street Fashion and how it's getting so crazy because of the internet, theREAL A.L.I.E.N members, the STRUGGLE and BS I had to go through and the endless nights of hand making A.L.I.E.N products because that's all I could afford.

Like who gives a shit man! Come on what have you guys done to warrant an autobiography. How long have you been around? Its like do people really care what you think on life etc how does that benefit anyone’s life. Now im all for freedom of speech but that was weak. We all know the net has diluted the sneaker game, we all know that certain street wear brands are in decline, we all know that Bape is over priced and over hyped, what more can you guys tell us....

Over and out….

[I'm broke]

Bape is old and it's getting tired. The camo print is over used no matter how many different colorways you can come up with or 'new' item you throw it on.

Half of 2005 SBs suck and all of 2006 SBs will suck in comparison to any SB done in the past.

The amount of clothing out there with skulls and/or any other bone out there is rediculous.

[Nawkternal]

A.L.I.E.N Comment

Well,
I really don't agree with you Well He is sitting at home Working on these shirts or jackets 12 or more hours toiling on designing and making this on screen print. Now you get the feeling how people Sitting in a room messing with beats and writing on your piece of paper or people in Sweatshops working so damn hard but no one gives a shit all they care is the brand and acting cool and dont know how much tears came out just for there FAM. but people really dont care about a person's stuggle. The patience,motivation and the bullshit

Well I agree with the rest about bape is overrated and the other comments

[belladonna]

A.L.I.E.N Comment

Well,
I really don't agree with you Well He is sitting at home Working on these shirts or jackets 12 or more hours toiling on designing and making this on screen print. Now you get the feeling how people Sitting in a room messing with beats and writing on your piece of paper or people in Sweatshops working so damn hard but no one gives a shit all they care is the brand and acting cool and dont know how much tears came out just for there FAM. but people really dont care about a person's stuggle. The patience,motivation and the bullshit

Well I agree with the rest about bape is overrated and the other comments


everyone has a struggle in life. . . because he chose to jump on the street wear train doesn't produce any sympathy from my cold latin heart...who are the fake alien members?

[C to the J L]

haha ohh man this thread is going to create problems..haha

[Berzerker Doo]

2. BB$ - Now come on! I must not be the only one that thinks they only have hype because of The Hundreds. The first tees were hideous, they may have some deep connotations to the past but they didn't do it for me at all. Just because they get drunk and go to every party in the world doesn’t mean the clothing is any good, does it? It just helps that they're all attractive, cause as we all know Myspace land loves them all to no end....

i'd have to go with number two. they are oh so beautiful :love: and yet oh so obnoxious.

[mikhal-kwane]

haha ohh man this thread is going to create problems..haha

hell yeah lol

[Coogi Don]

Interesting.....:hmmm:

[yimmy]

I hate that Im too poor to buy everything I want. I mean COME ON!! What the hell am I doing? pfft loser!!

[homi]

im just kind of sick and tired over the amount of copying that goes on in streetwear

i mean , its like every brand jacked the misfits logo...

[schtoops1]

i hate the hundreds too because they're not down with skateboard P or whatever he calls himself.

[bobbyhundreds]

Ok so I guess this one's for Tronics. (please note: If he had emailed this to me directly, I would have responded to him personally. However, since he brought it to the forums, I will respond in the same manner.)

At this time, due to certain reasons, I will not discuss my opinions regarding the whole "Skateboard P" thing anymore. But I will say this, Tronics.
Please take a look at what you just wrote YOURSELF.
peeps have been raising concerns over Pharrell's constant skating claims from day! As we all knew he would 'sell out' one way or the other and leave the skate scene exposed to suit and ties!
Just leave it be! We all know that Pharrell's brand of skating doesn’t appeal to the core skating community. And we all know that the Ice Cream team is just a marketing ploy, but is there any need to openly burn him like that!

Oh the irony, Tronic! By your very own sentiments, you have openly burned "Skateboard P" more then I ever have!!!
I don't know if you recall my comments about the "Skateboard P" thing a while back, but you have dissed him more in your "defense" of him, then I had when I was critiquing his marketing decisions.

It just goes to show that you DO see the questionable nature of His image makeover.
As did I.
You obviously felt the need to discuss His questionable image makeover.
As did I.
That was it. It was not an open diss, or "hating," but my unfiltered comments about an issue that bothered me. When you read my material on our site, that's what you get. Me. Unfiltered.

Let's also make another distinction, Tronics. You begin your thread by commenting on "The Hundreds," but then you close by remarking on "Plain Gravy." You do realize we are 2 separate entities? If you have an issue with Plain Gravy, take that up with them. It amuses me that more people have railed on our brand for disseminating that information to the web-masses then the actual designers of the shirt!.., as if WE had made that shirt.

Do we abuse the power of who gets the spotlight? What "power" are you referring to? We have never claimed to be an objective trend-forecasting system that gives everyone an Equal Opportunity. Since Day One, I have let it be known that our project serves to build our community, and friends whose work we respect. The past few months, we have not only spotlighted Brown Babie$, but Leroy Jenkins, Rogue, Reason, and Mighty Healthy. Our Chronicles have focused on J.Money, aNYthing, and Jeff Soto. These are all good friends who we have "abused our power" to garner attention. As all the Communications majors know, there is no such thing as an unbiased media outlet. Even Hypebeast, SlamXHype, and similar news blogs may seem like they're covering equal ground, but their posts occasionally do skew towards specific "friends" and industry associates. Please believe it.

It's funny because I made an agreement to drop that whole "Skateboard P" commentary a while ago, but for some reason, his supporters want to keep bringing it up. I've refused to mention the whole thing ever since we posted the Plain Gravy shirt, but for some reason, people just wanna keep defending "Skateboard P," and by doing so, they just re-hash the insults over and over again. If you really want P to rest in peace (no pun intended :rofl: ), then you may want to stop mentioning how wack he isn't. Or something like that.

Anyways, sorry for writing so much.
But yes Tronics, I still am very glad to see your critique, even if it is of my own personal project. It's about time things got real.

[orisue]

I hope ya'll can come to a clean conclusion.

[bobbyhundreds]

Nah Michael, that's what heads just don't understand on these boards.

I'm not "fighting" or "hating" or "dissing" Tronics.
There is no problem that needs a "clean conlucsion."

Basically, we have differing opinions on a certain topic, and discussing them on an open forum.

As long as things don't get personal, and names don't get called out for unnecessary reasons, it's all good. Again, that's what messageboards are for. Everyone on here has an opinion and wants it to be heard.

I could be wrong, but I'm sure Tronics feels the same way.

So that's the clean conclusion.

[homi]

I think this is a good sign that HB is maturing as a community..
As bobby said as long as things dont get out of hand, healthy discussion is important.

I think HB at least as long as ive known it has been to quick to avoid any sort of contraversy, and just turned into a lovefest, where everyone acted like happy , easily satisfied customers.

streetwear is a growing field and as we're all part of the wider community, we have a vested interest to get out opinions out there, and try to grow appropriately

[bobbyhundreds]

WORD UP HOMI.
Exactly.

[My Pal the Crook]

Bobby, why you gotta diss people, huh? U MAD DOGGIE?

[bobbyhundreds]

:rofl: :rofl:
its time for another rumor, mike

[My Pal the Crook]

Dude, I heard Target paid you guys 3 million to develop a skate line for them to drop in '07!

[Diamond]

Oh Wow! The Hundreds @ Target is a major move.
The Hundreds is HUGE!

:rofl:

[L.S.O.S]

bobby keeps it real. down to earth dude, if you ask me.

respek!

[orisue]

I think this is a good sign that HB is maturing as a community..
As bobby said as long as things dont get out of hand, healthy discussion is important.

I think HB at least as long as ive known it has been to quick to avoid any sort of contraversy, and just turned into a lovefest, where everyone acted like happy , easily satisfied customers.

streetwear is a growing field and as we're all part of the wider community, we have a vested interest to get out opinions out there, and try to grow appropriately

Totally admirable Homi.

But no doubt Bobby, totally understandable.

Tronics and BobbyHundreds are both respected people here on the forums. So its somewhat refreshing as to what both of you guys have to say. Most of us are from a country where freedom of speech is inevitable. So say what you guys have to say or point out, but don't make things personal.

[Tronics]

Yep this is just an open discussion, nothing personal at all, as you well know i support your brand anyways...

But I'd like to clear up one point. In no way am or was i defending Pharrell. I don’t like the guy at all.

Hhhmmmm....I wouldn't say that i just burned him cause i think i just stated the obvious really. But like someone said before maybe we need to define the term hating then we can go on from there.

The Pharrell argument has been dropped it doesn’t have much to offer anyways so that’s cool...

----Seeing as we're talking about 'celebs' and skating. Lupe did you really have to tell anyone that you skate when you can only Ollie and kick flip? It seems to me now that cause skating has become 'cool' people see the need to mention it to boost their street cred. That’s not real at all. If you've been skating for more then a year then i can guarantee that you'd be able to do more then one trick (please note an ollie isn't a trick its just something you HAVE to learn its compulsory) its just part of natural progression.----------

The main point is that for you guys to post a tee on your site (which im sure receives loads of hits a day) openly dissing someone, for a brand that nearly no-one has heard of before - I would call that abusing your power or media outlet. Its like if Pharrell did a tee with 'The Hundred are Haters' or Lupe, would that been classed as unfiltered material too? Even though they have a wider audience base then you guys with TV, mags etc...

Its like im all for helping your friends etc in the scene, but sometimes discretion could be used in selecting which ones you promote. Like Leroy Jenkins etc. Apart from 3 or 4 hoodies on their site, which other ones could you realistically wear? Taking floral patterns from old window robes and wearing it as a hoody??? I don’t get it.

Ok they're exploring the use of materials in a fun a new way, but sometimes different doesn’t mean good.

I've never seen a pic of Bobby wearing it so i would assume you didn't post about it.

But the underlying factor is that not all your friends are moving with you. Its plain to see that some of the are just hanging on by the coat tails. Like can you really see BB$ being around for more then 2 years??? They seem like a seasonal brand to me, with the pretty women etc, with their tight shirts on in the summer. Or is this just a marketing to ploy to get more women into the street wear scene?

[Diamond]

Hmmm... I have not yet to see a Leroy Jenkins piece I don't like.
I guess I must have different taste than Tronics, but those hoodies are
the hottest joints I have seen in a long time.

2 each his own.

[homi]

Could it be that Lupe just likes skating for what it is, and while he doesnt put the time into it neccesary to become great at it, he can learn the basics.

I'd say the pharrell can't skate is more tongue in cheek than an actual diss, the hundreds being an independent brand should have the ability to post WHATEVER they like. They arent as tied to an image or have to be as "responsible" as a larger brand would, i see this is a positive not a negative.

As for Leroy Jenkins, its a matter of taste, i wouldnt rock it, but i can see its appeal at least

[FEL]

LOL This is like that Dave Chappelle skit "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong" LOL

[Subculture]

This thread is actually refreshing and I agree with a lot that has been said on all sides. One thing that I would like to say is that I support the styles and the overall idea behind independent streetwear brands. But just as any other thing that involves purists a lot of the designers and the people who support them are snobish, excluding, elitists, assholes, know-it-alls, pretentious fucks. No other way to say it or put it. They absolutley have to be the first one to like and support something and if it gets the smallest bit of fame they automatically hate it. This is a comment about the culture in general and not directed towards anyone in particular by the way.

[FULLFUCKINGMETAL]

I noticed the same type of trend with underground rap. People like to find these obscure dope artists and keep them to themselves as a way of showing their dedication to the culture and how much they dislike the mainstream. And once these artist blow up its like "Dude, I listened to them like 4 years ago when they were dope, but they sold out." Does anyone still listen to Atmosphere?!...

Anyways, the same type of thing happens with underground and independent clothing labels, people are down until they see fools on TV, or someone who used to wear abercrombie strolling around downtown with flipflops, diesel jeans, aviators, and you favorite super cool T-shirt brand on high fiving all of his frat buddies. "Man they sold out" Maybe now they have enough money to eat a decent meal every now and again...
Thats just one strange thing that I've noticed, where it fits in here I'm not too sure.

Oh, anyother thing that I find funny is how dedicated to "streetwear" a lot of people are, but the only times their out on the street is when they're camped out in front of a BWS or sneaker spot wait for some exclusive shit to drop.
Shit, I identified with a lot of independent brands because they represented the things that I enjoyed doing. Vandalism, partys, heavymetal, going to shows, general reklessness and lawlessness - going against the grain. It seems like a lot of people are into the exclusiveness, the bragging rights I guess you could call it, than the actual street culture surrounding what brought these brands up.

WHATEVER BRAHHHH

[orisue]

This thread is actually refreshing and I agree with a lot that has been said on all sides. One thing that I would like to say is that I support the styles and the overall idea behind independent streetwear brands. But just as any other thing that involves purists a lot of the designers and the people who support them are snobish, excluding, elitists, assholes, know-it-alls, pretentious fucks. No other way to say it or put it. They absolutley have to be the first one to like and support something and if it gets the smallest bit of fame they automatically hate it. This is a comment about the culture in general and not directed towards anyone in particular by the way.

Totally respectful.

[C to the J L]

Does anyone still listen to Atmosphere?!...

i do..haha

[bobbyhundreds]

Tronics, ok I'll begin with this comment:
for you guys to post a tee on your site (which im sure receives loads of hits a day) openly dissing someone, for a brand that nearly no-one has heard of before - I would call that abusing your power or media outlet. Its like if Pharrell did a tee with 'The Hundred are Haters' or Lupe, would that been classed as unfiltered material too? Even though they have a wider audience base then you guys with TV, mags etc...

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
1) If Pharrell really felt strongly enough to do that, I think he SHOULD. (In fact, I won't be surprised if he doesn't). It would suck for me, but it's him being REAL, and isn't that commendable? And Lupe? Homeboy already "abused his power" to call my name out. So that answers that question.

2) I have no apologies for posting that PG shirt. Tofer and Todd are my boys, and I will post any of their work that I respect. Oftentimes, my friends make work that I may disagree with (politically, morally, etc.) but I STILL post it and support it because I believe in the freedom of voice, expression, and most importantly, art. Just because it may not vibe with my own personal beliefs does not mean that it doesn't warrant merit. Oftentimes, I will post or design something that SOMEONE will be offended by. In the past, it's been everything from our "Hip-Hop is Dead" t-shirt to a joke I made on Countdown that someone misunderstood. As long as I speak my mind, someone in the world will be offended, and I can't avoid that. But what I do appreciate is that our supporters can look beyond that and still push our movement as a whole. Even if they love Skateboard P.

3) I have no personal ties to "Skateboard P." To be honest, I couldn't care less if that t-shirt hurt his feelings, because I feel like he's doing a disservice to a subculture that people take very seriously. Just as he may be offended by that shirt (to clarify once again, we did NOT make that shirt), thousands of passionate skateboarders have been offended by his marketing moves for the past year. But I would be surprised if "Skateboard P" even cared.! I mean c'mon. He's "SKATEBOARD P!" He could buy my company and throw it in the river if he wanted to. He could legally change the name of "skateboarding" to "P-boarding" with all the monehy he gots. Homeboy shouldn't be phased, NOR affected, by a limited-produced t-shirt that says he can't skate. He's creaming off skateboarding, sleeping with models, and riding yachts with Liberace. I'm stuck in a dank studio everyday eating week-old pita bread for lunch. Boo hoo. Blah.

4) Discretion in supporting specific friends/brands. Well, I believe that's subjective. You may not love Leroy Jenkins, but there are plenty of kids out there who do. You may not love BB$, but there are plenty of kids who do. Taste is subjective.

5) BB$ = marketing ploy to get women into streetwear? haha well no. But that wouldn't hurt, right? It's been difficult for females to break into this market, for some obviously sexist reasons. Just look at the struggle Leah's gone through with MOB. And she is the queen of this.

Ok thats it.

[mikhal-kwane]

Anyways, the same type of thing happens with underground and independent clothing labels, people are down until they see fools on TV, or someone who used to wear abercrombie strolling around downtown with flipflops, diesel jeans, aviators, and you favorite super cool T-shirt brand on high fiving all of his frat buddies. "Man they sold out" Maybe now they have enough money to eat a decent meal every now and again...
Thats just one strange thing that I've noticed, where it fits in here I'm not too sure.

Shit, I identified with a lot of independent brands because they represented the things that I enjoyed doing. Vandalism, partys, heavymetal, going to shows, general reklessness and lawlessness - going against the grain. It seems like a lot of people are into the exclusiveness, the bragging rights I guess you could call it, than the actual street culture surrounding what brought these brands up.

WHATEVER BRAHHHH
yea there is a strange psychological dynamic between exclusivity and brands...and to be frank i appreciate "street culure" and everything it entails to the fullest but i also value a certain exclusive element.
Like your statement i highlighted in blue...i support brands that sort of represent the qualities that i value in myself. Now i would never say a brand sold out unless they totally changed their whole vibe (even if they did that i'd still probaly wouldn't say it because they might just wanna go in another direction) but it does change things if someone who doesn't represent the same message the same vibe as the product is wearing it. Like if Martha Stewart was wearing a brand that used to represent "partys...heavymetal and lawlessness" or someone from :thumbsdown: "Dem Franchise boyz" wearing a FreshJive kill all wack emcees shirt it would detract from the effectiveness of the brands artistic expresssion! It may be an overly-romantic idea but i would love for fashion to be a form of artistic expression for the designers and indirect expression for the consumers, where if i see a girl with a Hellz Bellz shirt on i know shes really "gunning for peace" and isn't on some dumbass lil' kim "i'm the gullyest bitch in the city" freak sh*t!
Its an interesting dynamic and for me its bigger than clothes its about passion, culture and expression

[My Pal the Crook]

Bobby don't lie, you got fresh Pita from Whole foods and that Sabara Hummus ish in full effect! That's that Target money speaking boy!! <3

[Rosewood]

Actually Crook, that Target money has got us our own pita maker right here in the shop and we have fresh humus flown in every morning from Israel. :D

[Hybrid Moments]

Yo, this is a GREAT thread. I got something to say about everyone, including my own shit. I need to post in this when I get outta work, goddammit.

[DrewDogg]

^^ obviously not outta work yet.

for those here that have been so vocal. And there's been some commentary on people straying away from what it's all about. here's a question:
what is y'all definition of "street culture" and "streetwear"?

Especially Bobby and Tronic. Both have different opinions. Throw down human dictionary style and let's see if that's any different.

[FEL]

there's only one way to settle this, and it takes place inside here:

http://www.ultimatefightgear.com/_images/pictures/82_sm.jpg

and i'm not talking about a fight. im talking about a dance off....
against none other than this guy:

http://home.comcast.net/~crews11/jvd01.gif

http://home.comcast.net/~crews11/jvd02.gif

This thread was getting too serious. thought i'd brigthen it up a little bit.

just be glad you're not wearing tight body suits like mr. van damme up there.

[mikhal-kwane]

^^ obviously not outta work yet.

for those here that have been so vocal. And there's been some commentary on people straying away from what it's all about. here's a question:
what is y'all definition of "street culture" and "streetwear"?

Especially Bobby and Tronic. Both have different opinions. Throw down human dictionary style and let's see if that's any different.

thanks for asking that! great question because i think "street culture" is far too ambigious of a term to describe this culture i.e underground fashion, hip-hop, rock-n-roll, skateboarding. i think it might even be a misnomer because i mean we're as intuned with the culture as anyone and we're posting online all day as well as being apart of and creating the culture...so i really don't understand the term "street culture" I'm not in the streets all day! lol

[jjs home]

Okay Okay, I'm sure I'm gonna heat a lot of people, but these are just my personal opinions, so you really have no reason to care, because I'm just one dude with a view. If I cut on a brand you own its not that serious, because I'm just 1/6,502,153,426 of the world population and your potentional buying base

First off, I'm sorry, and I know they are affiliated with people on this site, but the whole A.L.I.E.N/galaxy riders, whatever brand sucks to holy hell to me. The original/unoriginal argument has come up here before and I never chimed in, but here it goes now. 90% of these cats graphics, which have generally been the standout features of the pieces, are COMPLETELY unoriginal reworks of BBC and APE pieces. The spaceship is a varient of the BBC/icecream rocket. People can argue that its not the same, but danm its like one uses a Cartoon Rocket, and then next its a cartoon flying saucer, the shit just relates too much. Next they have the actual alien graphic, and the danm thing looks like an exact rip off of baby milo if he was an alien. I wish everyone well, but honestly if these guys want any credit in the game, or to be known as anything but jackers they need a new name and cnocept, because I nkow they do them ni the real world. Point blank period the second thing out my mouth when someone asks me about the BAPE store is that Ms Cartel is by far the flyest person in thestore, so they got they swag and what not, so use that to advantage, and start being original. I think their whole marketing needs to stop being a BAPE/BBC like brand thats accessible to people on this message board. I'm all for using mediums to get money, but if you want respect for creating FASHION don't prey on the weak desperatly searching for anything "new but the same" who just happen to have access.

Next is these Leroy Jenkins shit. I'm sorry, but these joints are straight bed sheets. Again, I think these are a CLEAR examlpe of the BLOG/messageboadr hype machine. I mean danm maybe I'm too old but go cop that Wu tang double disc and let dirty remind ya'll that them shirts "look like a curtain". Honestly any drycleaners could make ya'll the exact same hoodie with your favorite 3rd grade bedsheet for like 1/3rd of their price. Whats the next step for that brand, the matching bedsheet hammer pants? The vintage quilted flight jackets for the winter? Honestly if they wasn't down with the hundreds and popped up on their blog the shit would be a joke. I ain't mad at anyone, because dudes trying to eat and thats the hundreds people and they just trying to help them out, but some of ya'll see this shit on a blog and don't relize when your being feed BS. Its the concept of "a bathing ape in lukewarm water" allover again. I'm knocknig dudes hustle unitentionally, but everyone whos buys these will be kicknig themselves in the ass by the fall, trying to rip the stiches out made they fucked up a good pair of bed sheets they could have used

The whole bandana neckerchief thing is funny to me. Yeah yeah yeah some people in the streetwear scene and in japan have been forever diong this, but the fact pharrell does it in one music video and its popularity spikes 600% makes it very obvious to me where most people got the idea. It just seems funny to me that a person who neevr did the shit before the video dropped could try to legitimize the fact they aren't doing it because someone famous did it first. Yeah yeah yeah, people somewhere else did it first, but they not you and thats that. Bottomline you knew the world saw pharrel rockin his Murakami rag and thats when you decided you would too, so while its obvious he didn't invent the style, he did make it acceptable for 90% of these people out there doing it, so lets not try and play it off. Maybe people feel they gotta act like it wasn't pharrell cause the "love to hate" folks can't wait to tell everybody for no reason the on pharrels dick, but at the end of the day the fact they are so willing to speak on it just means they on your dick so it's whatever.

inally streetwear is the new fad. Itsthe new von dutch hat, the new mitchell and ness, and every other fad people have run to and then run from. Some people hear have really lived this life and this and that, but the average streetwear wearer in the next few years is diong so just to keep up with the joneses and there will be a lot of selling out, and its already started. All this accessibility thruogh the web is the proff of that, because before this era the ideaology of streetwear was to be not accessable. Its whatever though never get mad at no one trying to do them, but the whole thing giong on here is a hypocracy

beyond that maybe i'll say more maybe I won't but this is just one insignificant persons opinion so its whatever, and to every person who feels I've busted on their thing, every unit you've moved is noe more then me so you know you have more fans anyways

[I'm broke]

:rofl: Fisher Price, my first Timberlands..

[quanluv]

I'm loving this post. Ofcourse there are going to be brands out there that you don't like, if you don't, then don't buy it. Some are saying that the A.L.I.E.N hype is overated but what you have to understand is that A.L.I.E.N started off as a crew and never really intended to become a brand. It's funny how you can judge a brand when you honestly have'nt seen any of their work. Some people are already assuming that we are trying to knock off BBC/Bape but if they opened their eyes a little more, they'd realize that the pieces were little harmless stabs that we were taken at "The All Mighty Bape" What's even funnier is that you guys really take offense as if Nigo really gives a damn about you.
No one except for the venues I will be working with have seen the actual pieces that I will be releasing. The apparel you see my crew wearing are pieces of artwork that I screened myself for the crew to rock just for the hell of it. And the character you do see on some of the tee's was created because of my love for vinyle toys from kid robot. Again, stop sweating BBC/Bape. The only ONE design that I can say will give you a taste of what you'll be seeing in spring/summer'06 is the infamous barbershop t-shirt. The rest you'll just have to wait and see.

You can hate it, toss and turn in your bed or log onto bapechat.com and try to tell the world that Mr. Skateboard P and Nigo started the street wear culture. At the end of the day, I really don't care what the haters have to say. I'm not here to make clothes for everyone and their mother.
If you're comparing other street brands to Bape and BBC it's VERY obvious that you are new and know nothing about the street wear culture. Underground brands have been doing all over prints, cartoonish characters and REALLY representing the skatebaord culture for years.

oh yea and for Belladonna
"everyone has a struggle in life. . . because he chose to jump on the street wear train doesn't produce any sympathy from my cold latin heart...who are the fake alien members?"

lol, i don't want no damn sympathy from you, I can care less what you have to say. And let's get serious, I chose to jump on the street wear train? Obviously you're not in the mix because if you're REALLY from NYC and are hate'n on the A.L.I.E.N crew it's because you don't know us and too young to be out late on the streets let alone know about the Street wear culture. If you have any problems with me just come say it to me. I'm from NYC and I keep everyone posted with the events i'll be at on my blog. Come check me

A.L.I.E.N is a crew, our website was created to show everyone our lifestyle in NYC. If you're not interested in us then stop type'n our link in your address bar. No one is forcing you to check up on us.

Yo Bobby, you really don't have to waste your time responding to haters on the internet. You have a serious strong support team on the streets. You make STREET wear not Internet wear.

And much respect to everyone doing their thing, with success comes hatred.

Q

[C to the J L]

atleast people are being respectful..

[bobbyhundreds]

jjs home and quanluv have BOTH written some intelligent responses.

Yo Bobby, you really don't have to waste your time responding to haters on the internet. You have a serious strong support team on the streets. You make STREET wear not Internet wear.

Word up Quanluv! Oh yeah man, we got mad love in the streets. Much of the kids I see rockin' our gear have never even heard of these websites we sit on. Unfortunately though, this is the generation of "Screenwear" as I like to call it, and the streets/web are becoming one.

In a way, it's great for "street" culture because it provides an opportunity for so much fresh talent to explode (via the hype/blog machine). Consequently, a lot of wack stuff does come through now (you're right jjshome). But it's up to the kids to figure out what sticks, or what's just a hype-trend.

On that note, I love responding to "haters on the internet"! Isn't that the beauty of the web? That I can sit here in the studio every morning and spend an hour having a dialogue with my community, whether it's constructive or critical?

Our "scene" is very young. People were complaining that "streetwear" (a term that hasn't been used much 'til now) would die out back when Stussy was around. Then Freshjive,..then Bape,..Supreme, Ssur, Alife, ... But the reality is that we are just beginining to see an entire new movement in youth culture/fashion. As wack as people think it may be now, 10 years down the road when 13-year-old-kids are screenprinting Star Trek jumpsuits, you'll be calling these the GLORY days.

[C to the J L]

a lot of people say things are dead...but i mean..if its still selling out and people are interested to see whats coming out next..how dead is it really..if people hate..they are just jealous that they couldnt come up with the idea first..but bobby hit it on the head with his last paragraph..i mean..look at all the young kids on the board..theres only a select few that are adults..most are teenagers..not saying thats a bad thing..but the culture is starting a lot younger these days..

[Mackland]

..look at all the young kids on the board..theres only a select few that are adults..most are teenagers..not saying thats a bad thing..but the culture is starting a lot younger these days..


kids of 12 years young in my hood kicks prada rocks the latest samsungs and show off their gabanna jeans...this true

where does style goes from here

insane

[istayfly69]

very interesting posts for evry1 but i think some people are jealous or mad to see "street culture" come up and dont wanna see it on tv and mainstream but evry1 is their own person no one is telling u wat to wear or wat to support u should decide that for urself . and wit the whole skateboarding thing do u have to be a skater to rock these brands or are u considered fake cuz evry1 saying "street culture" not "skate culture" at the end of the day i think its basically a fashion sense becuz i no ill be wearing a A.L.I.E.N hoodie wit some pradas and much props to Quan for doin wat he doin.... churchh

[fiest]

Hello HB Posters!

Just wanna introduce myself before commenting. First time, long time!

K, my two cents:


Most blogs or "news" sites ARE skewed in the direction of friends, business opportunities or whatever benefits them. Case in point, the BB$:

With a drop of count 'em, 1 tee, in 2 colorways, they managed to get maaaad hype in the cyber realm, puttin this group on the map. Now I ask you, how in the heck does this happen. Props to them, but this raises, in my opinion, some questions about the scene and how information, trends, hype is viewed, reported and digested. Basically, in this case, the recipe seems to be: GROUP A collabs with a regionally established entity, GROUP B and BAAAM!!! mutherfreaking success!! I mean, why?!?!?!

Remember, this was 1 graphic in 2 colors that made a big ripple through the scene in a very short time. I'd like to know the story behind this tee, because uppon closer examination of the situation, The Hundreds seems to have done all the work! In what point are the BB$ involved?Is it the creation of that tee, concept, execution, what? I just want to know so that i can possibly give some credit where its due. Because by the blog reportings and such, it seems to me like this is an example of a glorified party crew with very right connections. Until they can get passed this "teaser shirt" or "pre-launch" its basically putting the cart before the horse. Back it up!



Final note. If examples like this are whats in store for our beloved community of indie apparel labels, then yes, this will go down as a trend. We can change that.

[Hybrid Moments]

Fiest, well said.

[gferny]

Seeing as certain peeps think that HB forum is full happy clapping bape fanatics, who praise everything and critique nothing....

So this thread is just for peeps to get a lil' something off their chest. So if there’s certain brands that piss you off, or a particular site that talks esss then let it be know.

1. The Hundreds - Now im a great advocate for indie brands, they were the first thing that got me interested in the whole street wear scene, coming from a skating background. But it has to be said that The Hundreds seem to hold a whole lot of power which the sometimes misuse. For instance the whole Pharrell situation; now if you're 'IN' with the whole skating scene then you'll know that peeps have been raising concerns over Pharrell's constant skating claims from day! As we all knew he would 'sell out' one way or the other and leave the skate scene exposed to suit and ties!
Just leave it be! We all know that Pharrell's brand of skating doesn’t appeal to the core skating community. And we all know that the Ice Cream team is just a marketing ploy, but is there any need to openly burn him like that! Is Plain Gravy that weak a brand that they needed controversy to 'hype' interest!

2. BB$ - Now come on! I must not be the only one that thinks they only have hype because of The Hundreds. The first tees were hideous, they may have some deep connotations to the past but they didn't do it for me at all. Just because they get drunk and go to every party in the world doesn’t mean the clothing is any good, does it? It just helps that they're all attractive, cause as we all know Myspace land loves them all to no end...

3. A.L.I.E.N - I love this brand some of the pieces are really nice, but that blog made me laugh so hard!



Like who gives a shit man! Come on what have you guys done to warrant an autobiography. How long have you been around? Its like do people really care what you think on life etc how does that benefit anyone’s life. Now im all for freedom of speech but that was weak. We all know the net has diluted the sneaker game, we all know that certain street wear brands are in decline, we all know that Bape is over priced and over hyped, what more can you guys tell us....

Over and out….

Yeah the whole TheHundreds thing seems like their hating on Pharrell. So what if he can't skate he "apparently" did and his brother does so he created a team and put his bro on it, and he made a buddy in Nigo and released a clothing brand. He always had that skater image. And so what if he used it as a marketing ploy, it looks stupid on thier part hating like that its pretty wack. I also counld see Pharrell making a diss shirt 1. dude is humble 2. he is on another level then TH 3. it would just hype up TH. As far as clothing i dont like any of it, i like the blog though i won't lie.

The BB$ is just foul lol .. though if pharrell used his image and bape as marketing then they used their affiliation with TH the same way so whats the diff. (some of the chicks are cute though :love: )

The alien wear i don't give a shit about, the whole ill let you in my mind sounds too emo to me.

.... Oh BBC has some shitty designs the whole money rolls and diamonds to me is just crap ... and the OG icecreams shoes to me where dumb as hell also ... g-unit, roc-a-wear , same thing ... I also think some Evisu is overated some most of their designs are horrible.

[debs 168]

supreme: nice fitteds. they made about 3 shirts i feel...the public enemy tee, the virgin mary t, and the box tee, but lets be real, its the SAME shit as getting a white tee and ironing a rapper on it. step your creative game up.

bape: the colorways have long been garbage. everything after 04 with the exception of a few colorways have been garbage. the camo print is played. stop releasing so much crap. stop copying EVERYTHING. fuck. chucks, adidas, pumas, dunks, air force ones, wtf is next? 180s?

leroy jenkins: oh you knew this was coming. fk outta here with making grandma's living room curtains into hoodies then selling them for overhyped prices. negro plz.

and can everyone hop off of nigo's dick and stop with the loud ass wild ass prints all over hoodies? you aren't bape. you aren't the next bape, you're just biters.

i feel like everyone is trying to be:

stussy
a bathing ape
bbc

in one way or another. or trying to be the next thing of that sort. be yourselves and let ppl catch on and follow.

[yimmy]

Hrmm I'm still a newb and I've just started getting into this clothing shit but heres my 2 cents...

Bape: Seems like BAPE rocked the shit when it first came out.. But Some of the stuff I see I just don't really 'get'. That said the shark and OG hoodies are still the bomb.

anything: This A-ron guy did a spot in a design conference here in sydney last year. Im not sure if its just our 'Autralian' attitude coming through but this guy was as interesting as a sack of nuts.. literally. He didn't even seem interested in what he was doing.. "werd... what!... aw you f**king know, just maintain'. yea f**k yea". I mean, damn dude, talk about where your inspiration came from, why you do what your doing and whats coming up. don't just site there with you hand on your nuts for 40 mins and talk about crap. I've never heard so many people unimpressed after a conference spot. Mr. Cartoon and Andy Howell came on the same event, made this dude look like a school girl; Maturity, Passion and Intellect wise.

I don't really have much else to add, other than I'm liking some new season stuff coming out.. but there very much 'you hate it or you love it' factor. Can't wait to do my world trip and hit up some stores in HK, Tokyo, London, Europe, NY and LA.

Peace

[KillaKate]

The state of the clothing industry and fashion itself is stale. and boring.Thats reality.

But.Say what you want.Everyone is a hyprocrite.Including myself. At least I can admit it. Im at the point where I dont care.I like what I like. You like what you like.Now people understand why id rather read vogue or shop at the salvation army.

and...

Much respect to the Hundreds and ALIEN.Bobby and Quan are awesome individuals and I support their companies 150%.

[I'm broke]

:rofl: How can you complain about BB$??
http://myspace-444.vo.llnwd.net/00352/44/41/352991444_l.jpg

[hollywood starzz]

Hey everyone whats up,my name is hollywood starzz and Im a young dude out of east flatbush brooklyn.the street fashion scene is not really big where Im from but in my small circle of friends its becoming a big thing.I have been viewing hypebeast for quite some time now and I have to say that this is the most intersting topic I have seen yet.so of course I had to throw my 2 cents in there.


1.A.L.I.EN.-Now people are saying that they are ripping off BBC/BAPE,but what if this is someones BBC/BAPE.Everyone doesnt wanna pay 3-400 for a hoody or wait on a rediculous line and not even be guaranteed the product.ALIEN is a good line that offers good quality products and as you can see from the blog and myspace alot of hard work is out in.Now someone said who cares about what ALIEN thinks about life and what goes on in their life.Im not a member or ALIEN,affiliated with them,or am I looking for points,but I think its cool that we finally get inside the mind of the person who is making our clothes,its cool to know where their head is at and what made come up with these ideas and what not.I dont think to many people in here can talk to NIGO or PHARELL and ask him how did he get those ideas for ICE CREAM/BBC.Bottom line is think and ask questions before you judge someone or something.

2.LEROY JENKINS.-I have to give credit where credit is due,taking sheets,curtains,or table cloths and making hoodies out of them is new.I think the designs they pick are cool and they stand out.Im not a fan of the material but the hoodies are overall good,definetly worth picking up.And for those who said why would you buy a table cloth,if its not something you like dont buy.Most of the things we buy arent worth what we pay for them but you buy it because you like it,people are going crazy over these bape cammo designs and he is bringing out the same things over and over again and it remains to be hot.Whats appeals to you isnt gonna appeal to everyone.Nothing is perfect so you deal with accordingly,which in this case just dont buy it.

3.Street Fashion.Now I am one of the guys who has learned about street fashion via the net.I think that it is pretty cool and I wish I would have known about it earlier.I dont think its a bad thing that more people are learning it because I love to see and learn new things,its a new lifestyle that Im exposed to and I think its pretty cool.AS far as the youth messing it up I think it would be hard because like Bobby Hundreds said earlier that we choose whats gonna stick and whats just around for the moment.

[leavemynameout13]

now to the very 1st post:

yes we do need a t-shirt saying "pharrel cant skate" just as many times as he says "skateboard p"

but just like you said that ice cream doesnt appeal to the core skating community. but since when has nike? consilidated skatboards put out an ad (maybe not a tshirt) pointing fingers to big companies telling them to get out of the skateboard scene since day one. but yeah you can hate on the hundreds all you want and their affilitates, but you cant hate on BB$. they are some kool chicks and really know how to have a fun time no matter what. but where would this whole street scene be without hype? how are all these small brands coming up so quick? is it cuz of hype? or those limited collabs between artists and brands? who knows? but it sells.........

but the only brand that makes me mad is freshjive. in a recent interview they did say that the sneaker culture is weak and blah blah blah. but the funny thing is that the good majority of its customers are sneakerheads.

[C to the J L]

i wanna hear back from Bobby and Quan..see what they gotta say..

[orisue]

What about me? Do I count?

[yimmy]

:rofl: How can you complain about BB$??
http://myspace-444.vo.llnwd.net/00352/44/41/352991444_l.jpg

3 of these I would hit... 3 I wouldn't.. ;) guess

[1978S]

Besides the chick on the left, and maybe the one on the right, those girls are garbage.:thumbsdown: The third one from the right might be a man. :confused:

[jaythestar]

First off, I hate to not let sleeping dogs lie, But I had to speak my piece. Some of you may know me from CT, some of you might not know me at all. Either way, I think the whole "streetwear" is a bunch of hype!
I can't front I never even heard of half of these brands untill I started fucking with hypebeast. I saw some of the stuff in complex but I never really took it that far.
Somebody else said it before, streetwear? how many of these people are really in the streets?
I can understand independent labels and all that but it is starting to get out of control. I don't give a fuck who put you on, or who you knew, or how exclusive your line is, charging 200+ for a fucking hoodie? 80+ for a tshirt? get the fuck outta here duke. In the streets, *****s rock what they can afford and stash the rest. Which is my main reason for copping tees from a lot of these brands. I mean really the same graphics are being used over and over...all I care about is the fact that if you catch the right sale you might be able to cop some tees or 20-30$
Everything is playing itself out. Collaborations are getting ridiculous...every time I turn around it's me X you x them, all that equals is $$$$
Basically all I'm saying is be true to yourself...Somebody posted on here that the south is always slower than everywhere else...so the fuck what? let people do what they do. Not everybody cares about labels and shit like that. Whatever suits you, let it work...If you wanna run behind people and look like a damn goon, do you.

[Mackland]

and there all the hypbeasts goes like....





"OOUUUCCHHHH"

[Subculture]

As Ive suspected this has gone from state your opinion truthfully thread to........let me bitch about shit I dont like thread in 0 to 5 seconds.









Yeah thats to no one in particular before you all add me to your bitch list.

Personally in the photo section you can catch me in bape marvels, leeroy jenkins hoody, pharell cant skate tee, BBC jeans, wacking off to a BB$ picture..............just cuz its no longer e-cool on HB anymore.

[I'm broke]

:rofl: I can't find the pics :thumbsdown:

[jaythestar]

As Ive suspected this has gone from state your opinion truthfully thread to........let me bitch about shit I dont like thread in 0 to 5 seconds.
Yeah thats to no one in particular before you all add me to your bitch list.

Personally in the photo section you can catch me in bape marvels, leeroy jenkins hoody, pharell cant skate tee, BBC jeans, wacking off to a BB$ picture..............just cuz its no longer e-cool on HB anymore.

Don't know who you are referring to but if someone chooses to truthfully state their opinion and that opinion includes "not liking simething" what's wrong with that? everybody is going to like or dislike something point blank.

[Subculture]

Yeah thats to no one in particular before you all add me to your bitch list.

:)

[Im Rich Bitch]

A.L.I.E.N Comment

Well,
I really don't agree with you Well He is sitting at home Working on these shirts or jackets 12 or more hours toiling on designing and making this on screen print. Now you get the feeling how people Sitting in a room messing with beats and writing on your piece of paper or people in Sweatshops working so damn hard but no one gives a shit all they care is the brand and acting cool and dont know how much tears came out just for there FAM. but people really dont care about a person's stuggle. The patience,motivation and the bullshit

Well I agree with the rest about bape is overrated and the other comments

Yo B. I respect ur comment to the fullest. u need to understand the struggle dat goes into these companies. Its what helps to build a brand and a story. people are to wraped up into just buying shit cause it looks good; without any understanding of a company. If I like a brand I might buy an item but then I will do my research on the brand so I know and understand its philosophy.

Before Versace died you had a lot of Black people wearing his clothes which he did not approve of. But people still ran with it. Now dats bullshit!!!!!!!!!

[Im Rich Bitch]

I think this is a good sign that HB is maturing as a community..
As bobby said as long as things dont get out of hand, healthy discussion is important.

I think HB at least as long as ive known it has been to quick to avoid any sort of contraversy, and just turned into a lovefest, where everyone acted like happy , easily satisfied customers.

streetwear is a growing field and as we're all part of the wider community, we have a vested interest to get out opinions out there, and try to grow appropriately

Im riding shotgun with ur statement

[loso]

i like the hundreds i like their designs but for the record anything that is getting faked to death its corny like when i went to the all star game in h-town i saw katz that were big ass hell rocking Baby Milo hoodies and im just like u know what no more bape 4 me its a reynolds wrap when the cornballz start rockin it its over

[Vance Astro]

Sup, i just came across this article:

http://eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2006-03-08/music/haters.html

Designer streetwear is a crock of shit created for bitchmade jackoffs too scared to decide what's cool for themselves.

:thumbsdown:

[MyAcademy]

Sup, i just came across this article:

http://eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2006-03-08/music/haters.html



:thumbsdown:
That guy wants to be angry soooo badly, but its just not happening.

[homi]

i gotta admit, i laughed reading that article

[jaythestar]

^^I also had a good laugh...and I hate to play devils advocate but dude had a point. Alot of kids are fronting like they live a so called "lifestyle" and they dont. Alot of kids are spoonfed and never had to work for a dime...Whatever though. To each their own.

[Lou Diamond]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
1) If Pharrell really felt strongly enough to do that, I think he SHOULD. (In fact, I won't be surprised if he doesn't). It would suck for me, but it's him being REAL, and isn't that commendable? And Lupe? Homeboy already "abused his power" to call my name out. So that answers that question.

2) I have no apologies for posting that PG shirt. Tofer and Todd are my boys, and I will post any of their work that I respect. Oftentimes, my friends make work that I may disagree with (politically, morally, etc.) but I STILL post it and support it because I believe in the freedom of voice, expression, and most importantly, art. Just because it may not vibe with my own personal beliefs does not mean that it doesn't warrant merit. Oftentimes, I will post or design something that SOMEONE will be offended by. In the past, it's been everything from our "Hip-Hop is Dead" t-shirt to a joke I made on Countdown that someone misunderstood. As long as I speak my mind, someone in the world will be offended, and I can't avoid that. But what I do appreciate is that our supporters can look beyond that and still push our movement as a whole. Even if they love Skateboard P.

3) I have no personal ties to "Skateboard P." To be honest, I couldn't care less if that t-shirt hurt his feelings, because I feel like he's doing a disservice to a subculture that people take very seriously. Just as he may be offended by that shirt (to clarify once again, we did NOT make that shirt), thousands of passionate skateboarders have been offended by his marketing moves for the past year. But I would be surprised if "Skateboard P" even cared.! I mean c'mon. He's "SKATEBOARD P!" He could buy my company and throw it in the river if he wanted to. He could legally change the name of "skateboarding" to "P-boarding" with all the monehy he gots. Homeboy shouldn't be phased, NOR affected, by a limited-produced t-shirt that says he can't skate. He's creaming off skateboarding, sleeping with models, and riding yachts with Liberace. I'm stuck in a dank studio everyday eating week-old pita bread for lunch. Boo hoo. Blah.

4) Discretion in supporting specific friends/brands. Well, I believe that's subjective. You may not love Leroy Jenkins, but there are plenty of kids out there who do. You may not love BB$, but there are plenty of kids who do. Taste is subjective.

5) BB$ = marketing ploy to get women into streetwear? haha well no. But that wouldn't hurt, right? It's been difficult for females to break into this market, for some obviously sexist reasons. Just look at the struggle Leah's gone through with MOB. And she is the queen of this.

Ok thats it.

hate

[picn!k]

im just kind of sick and tired over the amount of copying that goes on in streetwear

i mean , its like every brand jacked the misfits logo...

lol so true,.

Or they ripoff a rolling stones logo and sell the shirt for 25 dollars more than a typical band shirt because they say it is "quality" but really they just stole somebodys registered copyrighted trademark.


Or all those sin city tees that were released a while ago, like damn talk about making money off of other peoples ideas.

Streetwear sometimes comes off as a shitty coverband that trys to play every one elses songs without making any of their own.



I dont understand the Mishka hype,. All they seem to release are damn halloween looking shirts, with skulls and blood.

[travis!]

and yet all these brands continue to sell out and make great profit.

so now ask yourself why they do it. because 99 percent kids on these blogs. not saying you yourelf. but the rest .. buy it.

AND may i add.. its funny to see how much this culture has changed from when this thread was first started. haha

[jaydub23510]

Tronics, ok I'll begin with this comment:


I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
1) If Pharrell really felt strongly enough to do that, I think he SHOULD. (In fact, I won't be surprised if he doesn't). It would suck for me, but it's him being REAL, and isn't that commendable? And Lupe? Homeboy already "abused his power" to call my name out. So that answers that question.

2) I have no apologies for posting that PG shirt. Tofer and Todd are my boys, and I will post any of their work that I respect. Oftentimes, my friends make work that I may disagree with (politically, morally, etc.) but I STILL post it and support it because I believe in the freedom of voice, expression, and most importantly, art. Just because it may not vibe with my own personal beliefs does not mean that it doesn't warrant merit. Oftentimes, I will post or design something that SOMEONE will be offended by. In the past, it's been everything from our "Hip-Hop is Dead" t-shirt to a joke I made on Countdown that someone misunderstood. As long as I speak my mind, someone in the world will be offended, and I can't avoid that. But what I do appreciate is that our supporters can look beyond that and still push our movement as a whole. Even if they love Skateboard P.

3) I have no personal ties to "Skateboard P." To be honest, I couldn't care less if that t-shirt hurt his feelings, because I feel like he's doing a disservice to a subculture that people take very seriously. Just as he may be offended by that shirt (to clarify once again, we did NOT make that shirt), thousands of passionate skateboarders have been offended by his marketing moves for the past year. But I would be surprised if "Skateboard P" even cared.! I mean c'mon. He's "SKATEBOARD P!" He could buy my company and throw it in the river if he wanted to. He could legally change the name of "skateboarding" to "P-boarding" with all the monehy he gots. Homeboy shouldn't be phased, NOR affected, by a limited-produced t-shirt that says he can't skate. He's creaming off skateboarding, sleeping with models, and riding yachts with Liberace. I'm stuck in a dank studio everyday eating week-old pita bread for lunch. Boo hoo. Blah.

4) Discretion in supporting specific friends/brands. Well, I believe that's subjective. You may not love Leroy Jenkins, but there are plenty of kids out there who do. You may not love BB$, but there are plenty of kids who do. Taste is subjective.

5) BB$ = marketing ploy to get women into streetwear? haha well no. But that wouldn't hurt, right? It's been difficult for females to break into this market, for some obviously sexist reasons. Just look at the struggle Leah's gone through with MOB. And she is the queen of this.

Ok thats it.



You sound like a hater. Pharell is 34-35 years old he's not gonna skate like a teenager, I'm in my 30's and as a teen growing up I would hit the ramps and shit but i'll be damned if I'm gonna take my old ass out there now, I will do some kickflips, ollies what have you fucking around, but if I had the money I would do the same thing pharell is doing! he prolly loves skating like the next man, he just can't do all that shit! Since '05 skating is prolly bigger than it has ever been, just like when me and pharell was some of you'll age! I'm black also!

[wallychamp]

You sound like a hater. Pharell is 34-35 years old he's not gonna skate like a teenager, I'm in my 30's and as a teen growing up I would hit the ramps and shit but i'll be damned if I'm gonna take my old ass out there now, I will do some kickflips, ollies what have you fucking around, but if I had the money I would do the same thing pharell is doing! he prolly loves skating like the next man, he just can't do all that shit! Since '05 skating is prolly bigger than it has ever been, just like when me and pharell was some of you'll age! I'm black also!

yup, you dont have to be good at it to appreciate it. this applies to everything.

i heard some crazy drama emerged from this. like something physical happening, not any of that e-fighting either. anyone know for sure?

this thread is pretty interesting to look at now that a good amount of time has passed.:)

[solecollector9]

supreme.

now, i know im going to get flamed like crazy, but come on everyone i know supreme is a great brand and they have decent items in each season. But, supreme really isn't all that great i believed that stussy showed supreme wasnt that great by printing screen printed shirts that we're easily the same material as supreme for a smaller price. I think supreme's designs are great but i dont understand why everything is so much, i understand hype but i mean come on $50.00 for a hat with the plain text words supreme on it.


i dont understand why the hype is so deep for a plain graphic and tee brand

[Billman]

^From what I read Shaun Stussy, although still affiliated with the brand, sold to a corportation. There's bigger money behind their brand, so they can pump out more designs and sell cheaper because it costs them less to produce. Plus it's not available in many stores or online, so they know they the customer more and then prices get even more jacked up by resellers.

[York Esquire]

Bobby skates?

[scotchTAPE]

this is so old. why is it being brought up? to start drama by our favorite people. seriously why are you spend the time with this crap.

[knightlovesqueen]

anyone hating on anyone.

post your shit up. post your brand. post your stash.

bitching about who's real and whats real. eff outta here.

you aint made shit. talking bout these ppl cannot put out anything creative.

we are all materialistic fucks. get over yourselves and the brands we love.

i'm starting to