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FINAL CUT ROUND 2: WU-TANG vs OUTKAST!
February 21, 2010

I'm back for more. The first "Final Cut" post pitted The Fugees versus A Tribe Called Quest. Read it HERE.

Bam. Listen up, here's the scenario. You're riding the Metro Bus somewhere in California. You just got done seeing a massive white man who is most likely a World War II veteran absolutely demolish a younger black man in an exchange of fists. After fighting this man, he runs up to you on the sidewalk and demands that you give him one classic hip hop group to listen to for the rest of his remaining human life. Well, you're not going to tell this guy anything but hell yes but here's the problem.

You've got a backpack full of albums from only two groups. Outkast and the Wu-Tang Clan. Which album do you pass? The duo from Atlanta or the mob from New York City?

You tell me, it's Final Cut Round 2, Wu-Tang vs. Outkast.

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The Wu-Tang Clan.

What to say about the mighty Wu that hasn't already been said? No one does grime better than the Wu-Tang Clan. (Not even the blokes who invented the musical genre.) You have to respect the reign and movement that Wu-Tang stood at the forefront of during the early 90's. Their brand of Staten Island street symphony not only lead to an almost decade long rampage across the charts, but a massive and dedicated following who to this day are probably still wearing Timberland boots and Wu-Wear jackets.

There is something about listening to Wu-Tang. It's this strange goosebump feeling that overcomes the body as flying daggers and swishing blades begin arcing across the room courtesy of your speakers. I think it's the reason there is still an enormous contingency of Wu fans across the world who will proudly wear their Wu-Tang logo t-shirts to every single concert they attend (Wu-Tang concerts or any other, trust me-you know at least one of these people.) and may or may not have Inspectah Deck's infamous first verse from Triumph tattooed across their entire back. For whatever reason, Wu-Tang allows you to forget that you're a one-hundred-forty pound suburban kid from Idaho and instead embody the savage, half crazed antics of O.D.B. or Method Man for the five minutes that the RZA's glorious musical production takes place inside your head.

That to me is why you can't put anyone above the Clan. They bring about a feeling that no other group in the history of rap comes close to matching. They didn't just create great fans, they created a following of people who to this day will probably try to end your life-or mine for that matter for this article, if you suggest that any other group reigns supreme above the Clan's "shitty moral combat sounds." Clan in the front, respect given.

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Outkast.

Three Stacks and Sir Lucius Left Foot. The two word smiths have been warping and contorting ATL-drenched verbals since their Southernplayalistc debut and literally have never looked back sense. There is no duo in the history of Hip-Hop more prolific, diverse, or consistent.

You have to respect a group that can go from producing "Players Ball" in 1993 and then exactly ten years later win a grammy for writing and performing "Hey Ya!", and still having the respect of hip-hop fans everywhere. I guess that's not too hard to imagine since we've all grown use to Dre and Big Boi absolutely ripping anything they touch, whether it happened in '95 or 2005. Big Boi's Shine Blockas with Gucci Mane was easily one of 2009's stand out rap songs in my opinion and if Andrew 3000 put out any music in 2009 I must have missed it. But all we have to do is look back to"International Players Anthem" to shake our heads at the lyrical mastery that comes from that bloke.

Outkast has always been able to produce these strange, warped R&B soundscape tracks that somehow manage to keep our attention on every album. I'm talking about those songs like Funky Ride, where all you can do is sort of sit back, nod your head, and wonder what the hell they were on in the studio when they made this. (Much less decide to put it on the finished album.) Outkast has delivered hit after hit after hit, and if god willing they decided to bless us with at least a few more albums before they retire from the musical spotlight then the world would be a better place for it. Da Art of Storytelling is a top 10 best hip-hop songs of all time. I just needed to add that in to the equation. Two Dope Boys in a Cadillac-respect given.

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But now the final question? WHO reigns supreme? This is your chance, my part is done. I laid the gauntlet, set the table, arrange the silverware and plates it's now your turn to come to the banquet table and dine. Hit that comment button now and let your argument be known. If you could only have one group for the rest of your life, who do you walk away with? Wu-Tang or Outkast?

Oh my opinion you ask? At the end of the day I have to run with the duo from Atlanta. I once played nothing but Southernplayalistic in my Jeep for an entire month and I consider my life drastically improved for the experience. I love the Wu-Tang Clan, and I love mobbing around my dorm room like a Shaolin warrior, but if it came down to it at the end of the day I'd have to walk away with the diverse and extraordinarily funky discography of Outkast.

Looking forward to hearing these responses!

Stay Safe-Phil.

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  1. Posted by: LeftyJeenyus on February 21, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Easily Wu is my choice:/ without hesitation. Just favorable personally.

  2. Posted by: Devlin on February 21, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Wu Tang Clan. You can't get more original lyrics or beats than that. With all due respect to Outkast the gangsta rap had been the most common thing, and wu tang brought a whole new element to being hardcore.

  3. Posted by: shinbunboi-flitunes on February 21, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Wu was the first rap i remember listening to, but I'll go with A3Stax n Boi Boi. Still remember jammin to funky fresh Outkast tunes b4 basketball games back in the day, crazy an unique sound for the win!

  4. Posted by: Saf on February 21, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    That was a good read man. Big up!
    Dayuuum it's a difficult one but I gotta go for Outkast. However, hats of to Wu Tang. What they've done for hip hop I think you'd agree no other group has or will. They were a movement with a strong following from around the globe. They have inspired careers of many. It's why Jay-Z pays tribute to them in Blueprint3.
    On the flipside, I say Outkast are dope as funk cuz they keep pushing the boundries. They've introduced this genre to many people. They took it to next level. Can u imagine a song like Hey Ya being done by Dr Dre / Snoop / Eminem or any other hip hop act of that era?! That's why they win for me. They mix it up!
    Saf (oxford -UK bloke!)

  5. Posted by: E-MAN on February 21, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Outkast for me. Just two really laid back dudes that make good music and stay outta trouble.

  6. Posted by: Phillip T. Annand on February 21, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Wu pulls ahead with the early lead. It's hard to discount that historical image that Wu-Tang has amongst Hip-Hop fans. Interested to see how this turns out. Big ups to you first five for commenting. Saf bigs up to Oxford brap brap!

  7. Posted by: Mike Carson on February 21, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Outkast. There is some Outkast for every mood, and when it comes to originality they are untouched.

  8. Posted by: Mister Anderson on February 21, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn... I'm a big fan of the Wu but I grew up on Outkast.. I feel like a traitor going either way but I have to give it to Outkast personally.

  9. Posted by: MeechLovesKush on February 21, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    I'm Going With The Clan!

  10. Posted by: RetroJeff on February 21, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    If this were a few years ago I would have definitely said WU. BUT Now that I've thoroughly listened to all Kast's albums, I'm going with Outkast. If I want to hear some grimey, cold ass winter music there's no doubt I'm turning to Wu but Kast has music for every mood. Andre 3000 is better than any MC in the Wu. If we are including Wu Solo albums this might be a different story.

    But for the hell of it, here's a gem with Wu and Kast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_Zwymynr7U

    btw I would include Tribe, De La, & NWA in this Debate.

  11. Posted by: Sid Ashford on February 21, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    I'd definitely have to go with Outkast. I've never seen two ppl that are so different, sound so right together.

  12. Posted by: max mays on February 21, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    OUTKAST...there music is so chill..and everbody has a fav song from them...TRUE rappers from the south

  13. Posted by: BJ on February 21, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    i remember listening to Wu when i was like 5 and i loved it, but if i had to listen to something for the rest of my life it would OUTKAST. Outkast music makes me feel good about life

  14. Posted by: desi on February 21, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    WU-TANG KILLA BEES ..EASY

  15. Posted by: ko on February 21, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Outkast...i want to show love to both but outkast just has so much funk! and theyve got a variety and originality that cant be touched. their music isn't even really my style and i still love it.
    it really depends on what you listen to though! those die-for rap g's are probably going for wu. but i'm not one of them so i can't quite get with them on that level.

  16. Posted by: Hart on February 21, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    "I AM A MOTHERFUCKER"

  17. Posted by: KingTut Piece on February 21, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Both very talented and diverse groups. I don't think you can compare them on who is better or which group can you listen to more. Plus your comparing 10 members of the Wu as to 2 of Outkast. Just like the Rza said just put on this double disc CD and you dont have to go to summer school. I would go with the Wu at the end of the day.

  18. Posted by: Vee Urbanite on February 21, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    This is really hard but like loch said the white men is crazy so i have to choose. Outkast consist of 2 dope mc's and Andre 3000 is your favorite mc's favorite mc. To me as far as music goes they both put out some of the best albums in hip hop history However Wu got it hands down because their impact was bigger.Gza is a one man army,ODB have one of the most original style of all time, it's so risky till this day I haven't hear a popular Mc or anyone at all even try to duplicate it. Ghostface, Method man, Chef, see it's really not fair. Even after all that depend on my mood Southernplayalistic can be a life saver but I would not trade Liquid swords ,36 chambers, OBFCL, for almost about any album in any genre, on any planet.
    If i had to score
    Wu-51-49 Outkast

  19. Posted by: KingTut Piece on February 21, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Both very talented and diverse groups. I don't think you can compare them on who is better or which group can you listen to more. Plus your comparing 10 members of the Wu as to 2 of Outkast. Just like the Rza said just copp the double disc CD and you dont have to go to summer school. I would go with the Wu at the end of the day. I would give that guy the Outkast cds so I could keep the Wu ones.

  20. Posted by: Phoebe on February 21, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    You write beautifully.

    Keep writing. I'll keep reading.

  21. Posted by: Gab on February 21, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    WU!!!

  22. Posted by: Arjan on February 21, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Meth&Ghost&Inspectah&Raekwon&Killa&U-God&GZA&RZA&Dirty. #WUTANG

  23. Posted by: Sean on February 21, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Im a fan of both groups, Outkast did their thing, but maybe it because I am an east coast kind of guy. I grew up with my older brothas playin Wu-Tang daily. Im going to t have to say Wu-Tang for the fact that you have more to play with. The Heavyweight are Meth, Raekwon, Ghostface, RZA, and the late great Ol' Dirty. how can you really say that there anybody better. Mind you I dont think people realize the talents of 3000 untill later on but, that doesnt change the face that. Ourkast is one of the illest duo' s of all time. Anyway Staten Island Finest is my choice. Keep writing these dope post and making these dope clothes you are an inspiration at such a young age.

  24. Posted by: Vietnam Tom on February 21, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    epicbearddude.com is awesome

  25. Posted by: Zay on February 21, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Hands down the WU

  26. Posted by: Deven Brooke on February 21, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Comparing Wu to Outkast is like comparing apples to oranges. On one aspect both groups are the same.... groups with TREMENDOUS (yes all caps it's that serious) on hip-hop culture, but the other side is simply the vibes the music they produce gives to you at a specific moment. Hypothetically placing myself in the situation above ,I would probably give old dude a Outkast tape to vibe to, just to mellow him out; my sick sense of humor tells me to give him a Wu tape just to see if he lashes out more, but that's not the point.
    The point I'm making is at any given moment you are in a vibe and you're going to put on music to fix the vibe you're in and to compare these two groups against each other when 97.6% of the time give out different vibes is completely ludicrous and unfair which leads me to choose KRS-One because nothing compares to edutainment

  27. Posted by: Phillip T. Annand on February 22, 2010 at 1:31 am

    Ugh...KRS-One. I have to respectfully say that though I respect the nature of his status in hip-hop culture. I could never listen to his music.

  28. Posted by: Treadmillinjay on February 22, 2010 at 1:36 am

    wu tang man !!!!

  29. Posted by: sevensevenseven on February 23, 2010 at 12:26 am

    hard but outkast for me. they're (or were at least for me at the time) the jokers of the hip hop world. if i had only one collection of records it would be them (well, of the two).

    that said, i guess if i'm giving one up i wouldn't want to give up my complete outkast collection, but if this dude just beat some guy, then i would pass him outkast regardless of music taste cause wu tang probably wouldn't help him.

  30. Posted by: BobbyDigital on February 23, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    man, no question 36 chambers..for sure..

    I see alot of these comments which most seem like people who were in their diapers when these groups came out. Thats like me trying to weigh in on classic rock. this includes you mister award tour.. Trying to front on A Tribe called Quest album name.
    I lived hip hop in the mid 90's which was there in the golden hip hop era..saw Wu tang at UNITY in LA all 9 members!.. I remember when outcast came out benz & beemers..they were dope.. but when 36 chamber dropped it changed the game forever..

  31. Posted by: Phillip T. Annand on February 24, 2010 at 12:03 am

    You know...I gotta say Mr. Bobby Digital the whole age as an argument thing really never worked out for me.

    You are 100% correct that I was about 4 years old when 36 Chambers dropped. Same goes for the first set of Tribe albums. But what the hell does that have to do with my appreciation for the music? I wasn't alive when The Beatles Abbey Road came out, I'm sure you were not either. But if you were to tell me it was an incredible album and better than any other rock album I'm not going to sit there and go, "You weren't even in existence when the album came out you have no right to weigh in." It just doesn't make sense sir.

    The classical music experts who write the books probably were probably eating dirt when Beethoven wrote his 8th Symphony. Does that mean they can't be experts about the music?

    I'm not trying to front on any Tribe Called Quest Album Name... Especially since "Award Tour" is not the name of an album.

    I'm stoked that you love the Wu, just don't really see how age has anything to do with the situation man, it's a comparison for fun, not the end of the world.

    Take it easy.

  32. Posted by: Pickles & Coffee on February 24, 2010 at 12:20 am

    Easily wu-tang... 36 chambers is top 3 albums of all time, (w/ the chronic and illmatic).. ok, if you want to argue.. def top 5.. besides.. that amount of MCs with talent, and the production of rza, one of the best in the game... plus nothing beats that sounds/that atmosphere/that grimeyness that wu-tang brought to it... no competition... and i love outkast too ..so no bias

  33. Posted by: bodil on February 24, 2010 at 3:40 am

    wu-tang baby.

  34. Posted by: the ice cream man on February 24, 2010 at 6:47 am

    Clan in da front. Btw Gza - liquid swords is heavily underrated. One of the best.

  35. Posted by: Ashley Belle on February 24, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    excellent retort there Phillip, pure excellence.
    well-said.

  36. Posted by: Drop Comparison and Competition on February 24, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Why compare they are both good in their own right.

  37. Posted by: Phillip T. Annand on February 24, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    I agree with you sir-they're both incredible in their own right.

    Why compare? Why not? It gets people talking, gets people thinking about why they love the artists and more than anything makes other people research the artists more. Plus its the internets, anything can and will get compared in this mad place.

  38. Posted by: BobbyDigital on February 26, 2010 at 5:19 am

    I think you said it yourself in your response.. you were 100% not there. It's obvious by your measure, hip -hop is just music. To some of us it's as a movement. Yes , you can have an opinion on the music but really have no reason weighing in on the movement. I Stop fronting like your an expert, your not! And these classical music experts you speak of, don't compare yourself they spent years at top universities studying music so unless your in an ivy league course mastering hip-hop let us, who took part in the movement remember it without some trivial B.S about which album we would take if a black guy would beat us up.. (i feel stupid just repeating the story). BTW if you want to enlighten people about hip hop then I think you should look deeper than outkast. Discuss the producers, Ie J-Dilla, Madlib, Premier, Lor Finessess
    These are the true heros of hip-hop & most kids now don't even know who they are.
    Peace..
    Bobby D.

  39. Posted by: MeechLovesKush on February 26, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Dear BobbyDigital...Non of those Producers You Named Are Heros Too Me.
    Who Cares What year you were born...Some of us Have been raised on this music..
    So Because i Was 5 Years Old When Biggie Dropped "Ready To Die" I Cant Relate or have a True Opinion?.
    Music should have any age Limits any Race Factors NON OF THAT BULLSHIT.
    Im Just saying...We love it as much as you do OLD MAN get over it.

  40. Posted by: Bobby D's bitch on February 26, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Bobby, it has been a while since I've gotten the courage to "front" on you, but here I go my merciful sir.

    First off, you're always talking about ivy league schools, when I know you didn't attend one with that horrendous grammar of yours. Atop of that, with the use of your own mind I guarantee that you could not list 5 ivy league schools at this very moment.

    Now, the next time you get heated like this, Bobby D, realize that this is the internet and your opinion doesn't matter to anyone on here.

    Good Riddance

  41. Posted by: Surplus on February 26, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    BobbyD,

    While your comment makes me laugh, it certainly isn't in the slightest of positive manners. Bob sir, your comments are tired. I sincerely mean this. You mentioned the ivy league, yet your grammar is as bad as a middle schooler. In fact, I almost guarantee that you would not be able to mention 5 ivy league schools in our midst off the top of your unrelenting dome.

    The matter of fact is, Phil has done more with his blog than you might ever do with your horrendous internet career. Please, walk away from your library's computer and forever step away from this blog.

    Sincerely,
    Surplus

  42. Posted by: D.O.A. on February 26, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    All credible editorials, articles, blogs pertaining to the early (80s & 90s) period of hip-hop will fade with Bobby D's generation cause no1s allowed to weigh in. Unless Mr. Bobby D decided to teach at an Ivy League.

  43. Posted by: AshesB on February 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    by the way Bobby D,

    J Dilla is actually a producer we all know. Trust me, I'm only 19 and I sure haven't forgotten him.

  44. Posted by: Cliff on March 2, 2010 at 9:26 am

    I listen to both non-stop and generally only drive to one or the other. In the end, however, I have to say Outkast comes out victorious. Wu Tang suffers from one fatal flaw. It is absolutely not the beats, as some of the backgrounds engineered by the RZA are easily the best beats in any hip hop ever. Instead, they suffer from a condition that I so closely associate with them that I have come to dub it Wu-Tang syndrome. The Wu is always on the cusp of telling you something important, but they never ever actually manage to do so. Every song, pretty much without exception, consists of some combination of the diverse group of artists talking about the truth which they are ABOUT to drop, and chest-beating about how the Wu consistently delivers such content.

    Outkast, on the other hand, immediately delivers their take on the world and their feelings about certain problems in our society in just about every track. While I do not always agree with them (a number of their views are surprisingly socially conservative if you listen closely), I admire them infinitely more for putting their hearts on their sleeves, and not just writing about the ubiquitous gangsta rap fare that is the lyrical mainstay of many artists (unfortunately Wu included).

  45. Posted by: Samo on March 2, 2010 at 11:30 am

    I'd hafta go with outkast. I just did a class assignment about how anomalous they are in hip hop. Stankonia is my favorite album. Thank god for the mighty"O"

  46. Posted by: ALEin on March 5, 2010 at 2:38 am

    Love Wu- Tang especially the Killa Bees: The Swarm, Volume 1. Start to finish that album is amazing, the beats are just unreal. I will still have to go with Outkast because they have definitely influenced me much more. Could not stop listening to Aquemini when I first discovered the multi colored Andre painted disc. That album definitely was the one that got me hooked as well as DF's Even In Darkness...I wont even get started on that one, White Gutz is all I can really say about that! Their music just keep changing and evolving and that is what i truly enjoy about them!

  47. Posted by: MeccaDon on March 7, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Damn ! This is a tough one !

    Being a Staten Island resident, the Wu will ALWAYS play a part in my life when it comes to music. Remembering the days they would record videos right around the corner from me to actually getting a chance to have conversations with some of the Wu members (Inspectah really spits some knowledge). Hearing a RZA beat for the first time put a program in my brain to love only a gritty, grimy, & dirty track. You know once you see that "W" logo its gonna be a problem ! It doesn't help that "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx..." is my favorite album of all time too...

    ...but Outkast music is on a whole other level ! Every album after another, they expand their vision of what "music" should sound & be heard as. "Aquemini" was an INCREDIBLE album. Andre 3000 is easily in the Top 10 of illest MC's EVER ! the same point someone discuss: Three Stacks & Sir Luscious Left Foot make the perfect hip hop balance !

    At the end of the day, I believe Wu-Tang wins this arugment. No rap group, and I repeat, no rap GROUP had as much up & down moments but yet still relevant in the game like the Wu. Ghostface did it in 2000 with "Supreme Clientele" & Rae kept the Wu flag high recently in 09' with "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx 2". Once again, another great topic Brother Phil =O]-

    SUUUUUUUUUUUU !

  48. Posted by: meow on March 14, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Outkast is better. They try different things out, and always make good music.. wu tang is bleh and repetitive. there's a reason why none of them are relevant anymore and it's not because they're old... Plus for some reason white people really like them too much

  49. Posted by: Rortz on March 15, 2010 at 1:18 am

    While I love Outkast's ingenuity and the pure FUN and energy they brought to pop music, I have to go WU TANG on this one. The lyrical complexity of Deck, GZA, Ghost, Rae and sometimes Meth/RZA, is on par with that of Andre 3000, and way ahead of Big Boi. Besides, the Wu Tang camp released FIVE classic albums in... what was it? Under three years? Not to mention the RZA's game-changing use of grimy, minimalistic beats and ODB's infectious eccentricity.

    (I take it we're including solo work like OBC4L and Liquid Swords on here... also, I feel Wu vs. NWA would be a much better final cut, two legendary producers, two coasts, two groups of all-star rappers who redefined the music. I would still shout SUUUUUUUU though.)

  50. Posted by: Abu Mansaray on March 20, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Wu Tang Clan to me. I always try to listen to Outkast but every time I listen to them I lose my interest.

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