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Final Cut: The Fugees Vs. A Tribe Called Quest
July 27, 2009

You're flying across the Atlantic. Row 55 in the back of Being 757. Knees are sore from sitting in a seat in which no normal being fits comfortably. Some god-awful film has just started playing mid-flight, and you have a wait of about forty more rows until the stewardess arrives at your seat with that glorious bag of pretzels.

The year is 1996 and you own a fresh Sony Walkman accompanied by two albums: Midnight Marauders from A Tribe Called Quest and The Score from The Fugees. The girl who looks startlingly like Kelly Kopawksi from Saved By The Bell asks if she could borrow one of the albums to listen to during the flight. You couldn't be more stoked that she is absurdly attractive, listens to great music but at the same time...you're faced with a dilemma. Which album do you give up?

The Tribe or The Fugees? Who reigns supreme across the musical landscape if you could only chose one group?

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Ali, Phife, and Q-Tip. A Tribe Called Quest.

Q-Tip, Phife, and Ali Shaheed Muhammad dropped sixty-four minuets of crisply bouncing, sample driven, oven baked hip-hop in 1990 in the form of People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm. Critically acclaimed from their first album, the Tribe's feel good brand of socially aware lyrics coupled with some of the best production of the 90's quite literally set the stage for their take over of the decade.

By the time Quest dropped the certified classic Low End Theory in 1991 their genius could not be denied. Rumblings of deep sampled bass strings contrasted with soaring jazz horns as Q-Tip and Phife light-heartedly threw boasts and brags back in fourth in such a familiar manner that you felt like you could hop on the track anytime you want and add your own two cents. On Midnight Marauders Tip and Phife fly back and fourth over tracks, trading lines and verses with reckless abandon and utter disregard for the fulfilling anyone but their own vision of what rap should sound like.

A perfect blend of intellectual prowess and street visions, the Tribe were as Tip stated, "Black intellects but unrefined." They seemed to be just as comfortable riding over bouncing drums telling the story of a road trip gone wrong on El Segundo as bragging about their exploits on Electric Relaxation. Classic track after classic track emerged from the Tribe camp from Theory to Beats Rhymes and Life.

The 90's were the veritable canvas upon which the Tribe exposed their genius in broad, and vibrant strokes coated in brilliant colors of soul samples and drums that kicked in ways that can really only be described as perfect. Their brand of hip-hop was completely new, completely original but at the same time somehow immediately familiar. There is something so positively right about dropping a needle onto a Tribe record and listening to the dense jungle of noise emerge fourth and surround your being. That feeling is what made Tribe so different and so special. However, you cannot talk about music creating feeling without talking about their counterparts of that generation, the Fugees take center-stage...

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Wyclef Jean, Lauryn Hill, and Pras. The Fugees.

Children of immigrants born and bred in my home-state of New Jersey, Wyclef, Pras, and Lauryn Hill emerged from near obscurity in a flash of musical genius and mastery now known to the world as 1996's The Score. Combining everything from Roberta Flack & Bob Marley covers to hilarious hood-Chinese take out skits The Fugees crafted one of the best selling hip-hop albums of all time and received world wide exposure for their unique blend of lyrical content and soaring vocals courtesy of Wyclef and Hill.

The Fugees cannot be discounted. To this day you can drop Killing Me Softly at any party and watch the place exploded into awkward two steps and karokee-esq sing-a-long antics. The group constructed 16 tracks that are almost all nearly perfect.

Wyclef seemingly sits down in front of the listener on No Woman No Cry and pleads the case of every poor Haitian child in the world to the point that the song causes emotion to rise with every single listen. Possibly the best cover of Marley as far as capturing the same emotion of the original artist.

You cannot mention The Score without acknowledging the eery almost disturbing quality of Ready or Not . This is Lauryn Hill at her finest. Her pained vocals wane over the background 'hums' of a track that is impressive in its powerful presentation in every single verse. Even Pras does not disappoint on this definitive Fugee's track. As far as arising emotion, it doesn't really get better than this from the Beatles to Busta Rhymes. The track speaks volumes without every raising its voice, an exercise in artfully crafted music. Fu-Gee-La is amazing. I'm not even going to go about trying to capture that one in words.

The Fugees are acclaimed across the world for their mastery of the genre. Once again- the group was completely original in their construction. Their brand of island influenced hip-hop translated the plight of their immigrant families perfectly all while being intensely listenable and immediate for any listener regardless of their own background. Not to mention the fact that a certain young lady named Lauryn Hill would be introduced to the world in a most drastic fashion which in it of itself is a sort of an amazing feat.

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So that is it. The gauntlet has been thrown down. The question asked. The field primed for play. Whatever you prefer, I want to hear what you have to say. This debate arose about on Twitter where the people were split exactly down the middle as to who was the better group.

FUGEES OR TRIBE?

You don't have to write a novel like I did but I want to hear what the people have to say.

Stay Safe-Phil.

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43 Comments

  1. Posted by: Loui on July 27, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    A Tribe Called Quest.. because I'm on Award Tour, with Muhammad my man

  2. Posted by: riche on July 27, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    I'm still standing pretty strong on my position - TRIBE. don't get me wrong, I love the fugees. they were the first hip hop group that I heard of when I moved to the states but A Tribe Called Quest made me rethink how I thought music should be constructed.

  3. Posted by: BLACKBradPITT on July 27, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    ....WU TANG CLAN AINT NUTTIN 2 FUCK WIT...REMEMBER THAT.

  4. Posted by: Kwesi on July 27, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    Obviously the pioneers themselves who paved the way for this rap game and spawned group like Little Brother, Pac Div, etc etc. They created great music all while staying true to themselves.

  5. Posted by: Kwesi on July 27, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    Haha forgot to write who ATCQ!!!

  6. Posted by: asdf on July 27, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Tribe made classic albums. Fugees made a classic album.

  7. Posted by: AIRTIME Design on July 27, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    tribe. although laryn hill is by far my favorite female artist, ATCQ has something that can be imitated but never replicated. every beat, every hook, every lyric is brilliant and 100 percent timeless.

  8. Posted by: Marlon Dasherman on July 27, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    kudos to D WUTANG AINT NOTHING TO FUCK WITH

    But im going to have to go with The Fugees, one of the greatest assortment of minds combined into one full masterpeice group, all bringing something different, even though TCQ were all unique they were indeed similar. Not to mention Lauryn Hill is the number one female lyricist of all time ha

  9. Posted by: Joshi Murakami on July 27, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Are you serious fam?

    ATCQ over Fugees anyday! Every ATCQ was EPIC.

  10. Posted by: Joshi Murakami on July 27, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    ^^ insert the word album in that 2nd sentence.

  11. Posted by: SCOTCH 79 on July 27, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    I ain't givin Kelly Krapowski shit

  12. Posted by: brash on July 27, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    both are dope, but almost every fugee fan will say the score was their favorite album, because that album pretty much paved the fugees legacy. However, every tribe album was a classic and its much harder to pick a favorite, because every album had a hip hop classic on it. thats a testament to their superiority

  13. Posted by: renai beast on July 27, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Tribe.....and I don't know if you noticed, but if you're going by the order of artists shown in the first atcq picture, it's ali then phife. just in case you didn't notice lol....

  14. Posted by: Milos Jameson on July 27, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    I already expressed my feelings on the subject to Phil over on twitter, but to bring it over here... ATCQ without a doubt is the pick here. To be clear, I am a fan of the Fugees as well...

    But to put things in perspective, before ATCQ came into the game... there was no real afro centricity within hip hop music. Of course the hip cop culture was reaping of it, but up to that point failed to translate on the main platform of hip hop.

    ATCQ took risks, took chances... the first album alone was un-heard of. 4 relatively unknowns forming a group, with only one rapping (Q-Tip), one producing (Shaheed), one narrating (Jabari) & Phife just contributing on a whole. Quest made it COOL to be yourself, be unique... didn't need to rap about gangbanging (West Coast was on the rise) & they steered away from the prototypical East Coast rap going on at the time.

    Tribe is far from being the best thing to ever hit hip hop, but they are pretty damn close. Their 3 first albums are in any hip hop connoisseurs like myself all time classics, followed up by good - decent albums by within todays measure of hip hop would undoubtley be viewed as great albums.

    I can keep going on and on about the subject, but without Tribe you wouldn't see a lot of the familiar carbon copies that most happen to be fans of these days

    (Not to mention, no one in the Fugees [even Hill in her prime] is touching Phife or Tip at there best...I think for good measures you should embed "Can I Kick It?" video on here... lol)

  15. Posted by: Kelllllllay on July 27, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    This one's tough, but not that tough. The Tribe formed in 1986, made five classic albums in 10 years, and dismembered around 1997 or so. The Fugees? Started somewhere around the mid 1990's, dropped The Score which was heaven on earth in 1996, and dismembered in 1997. The Fugees got respect from me with one album. Took me about three of ATCQ's albums to love them as much. Plus Lauryn's amazing. I'm going with The Fugees.

  16. Posted by: MicahMoney on July 27, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    I always felt like I love Loren by herself!
    Wyclef is always amazing by himself

    ...and i never got into listening to Pras

    NOW ON THE FLIPSIDE!:
    Qtip was like my fashionary role model as a kid & "I'll make you shiny, spiffy in a jiff... Fuckin with the Ab you got the greatest of gifts..." was a big line for me, PHIFE DOG IS STILL ONE OF MY FAVORITE RAPPERS & ONE OF MY LARGEST INSPIRATIONS! and IVE FREESTYLED FOR DAYS TO Shaheed Muhammad beat! I still listen to ATCQ! , and ive tried my hardest to go back & listen to all the Fugees stuff... but it wasnt happening for me.

    *Disclaimer: I never said the Fugees are not great artists, they just werent for me... DONT COME @ ME WITH ANY BULLSHIT*

  17. Posted by: Phillip T. Annand on July 27, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    “asdf” and “Milos” in my opinion have it right.

    What “Kelly” didn’t mention is the fact that The Fugees debuted with an album that is quite honestly not really worth listening to.

    The Score is undeniable but are you really able to sit there and say that you would put The Score above The Low End Theory + Midnight Marauders? (Not to mention Beats, Rhymes & Life.)

    The Fugees did it well once, and than they couldn't hold it together. The Tribe did it well three times and continued to produce great material beyond that. Can't ignore this fact...

    I have to give this crown to the Tribe and keep it moving while sneaking a bootleg copy of The Score out of the room in my back pocket for further listening

    LOL at Scotch79. Sorry brother I'll find a better muse next time.

    Next up? Wu-Tang vs Outkast.

  18. Posted by: @redbullyell on July 27, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Tribe all the Way....No Tribe = no Kanye, Pharrell, Lupe, Kid Cudi, 88 Keys nuff said

  19. Posted by: DynamicShots on July 27, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    Nice read man...

    Damn, this is a really tough decision but I think I would go with the Fugees. I mean Tribe have more classics under their belt, but I think The Score would probably be my favorite between the two groups.

    Still got love for the Tribe though...

  20. Posted by: erok(ek5) on July 27, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    without a doubt A TRIBE CALLED QUEST on this one. I followed atcq since i was in 5th grade.

  21. Posted by: Philippe E. St Juste on July 27, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    First I d prefer to sit next to Lisa Turtle that Kelly Kapowski, then i have the dilemma do i want to give my personal favorite choice or do i want to give her the second best one.
    Anyway it is not much of a quandary between Tribe and the Fugees. Tribe has an extensive catalog of materials: People's..., Low End Theory, Midnight Marauders et cetera and influenced a whole generation of backpackers among who as mentionned above: Kanye, Pharrell, ( i m not gonna say Lupe since I dont know how much Tribe influenced him) Little Brother, Phil Annand and everyone writing on this blog including me. And Fugees produced only one major good score, one damn good score that is. And indeed they scored.
    I am not gonna compare ATCQ's entire body of work with Fugees's The Score. But even with Award Tour, Electric Relaxation and Lyrics to go, I cannot bring myself to pick MM. Just take one more listen to Ready or Not or Fugeela or No women no cry or Killing me softly. That single record embedded Fugees standing as one of the best hip hop group ever and created their legacy.
    Midnight Marauders is classic but i will not pass listening to Ready or Not for Electric Relaxation. I might be bias being the son of Haitian immigrants but The Score stays.
    And no disrespect to Ghost, Rae, Meth or RZA but Andre got rhymes for 3000 days all year 'round

  22. Posted by: SoHo B on July 27, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    So far I only think one person said Fugee's and I respect everyone's opinion b/c everyone makes such valid points and bring a lot of good perspectives to the table. However I am going to disagree with the masses and say that young lady would have a hard time getting "The Score" out of my hands. I love the Tribe and everything that they went on, they have classics but the Fugees album "The Score" was otherworldly. Everyone last track of what the discussion was really about. Everyone started talking about Fugees vs Tribe overall, that was not the original discussion. In that respect the Fugees fall short however when it comes to those two albums I'm going with the trippy futuristic soul sound of "The Score".

  23. Posted by: Joshi Murakami on July 27, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Wu-tang vs outkast??

    Dont do it phillip. lol

    Wu-tang VS 90's def jam would be good?

  24. Posted by: Sean on July 27, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    As many have said Tribe set it off and led the way for the Fugees, and with that no song is better then Find A Way.

  25. Posted by: Keish on July 27, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    This is tuff and Phil it sounds like you've made up your mind. The Tribe, lyrically were witty and unique and they had smooth laid back beats that showed that they weren't afraid to try something new but the Tribe called Quest didn't have the vocals that the Fugees provided with Lauryn and an album that till this day I could never get tired of or have the urge to press fast forward. They had beats that you would find to be soulful and Im not even going to start with their lyrical flow, I mean yeah they couldn't keep it together but that doesn't mean that they will be forgotten for their success, so with that said Im going to have to go with the Fugees.

  26. Posted by: Marlon Dasherman on July 27, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    Fugees were masters of the craft most of you are on the bandwagon right now. Their contrasting in so many different ways to put them against each other is a difficult comparison. I think its Fugees if you like that real hard feel it in your soul rap. ATCQ if you want some real mellow feel it in your body mind kinda thing. And from the way that todays sub culture has molded most of your musical taste ATCQ is one of the hot ones to get into to listen too the cool in music so I know alot of people havent really and i emphasis the really heard the Fugees album for what it is eyes closed experience preferably.I personally like the real shit if i ever decide to put down the my prefered genre and listen to some hip hop and thats The Fugees come hard, correct, and unique on every track with a full variety of emotions,just full trance lose yourself music. ATCQ just makes me feel nice personally. Talk about how the music affects you not the stats because we all know them.

  27. Posted by: why? on July 27, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    I would just rather not compare and enjoy both their music. Seems like these two groups are your favorites yet IMO they are just two different groups doing different things yet on similar genres.

    All these other dudes choosing Tribe because they probably are those individuals who wear streetwear clothing and most of those kids listen to Tribe more than Fugees.

  28. Posted by: JSchwaz on July 27, 2009 at 11:41 pm

    I told myself that I wasn't going to respond to this (just to save you all from the boredom of my rambling)...but any die hard fan of both groups would fail at not adding their two cents. I could not agree more with SoHo B. Although ATCQ is an undeniably talented group (and one of my favorites), musically, the Fugees reign supreme across the musical landscape. "The Score" is THE rap album that every music lover should own in their collection, even if they fail to include any others. I don't know if I can say the same for ATCQ. It's a fact that "Blunted on Reality" is a below average LP, but I feel that people ignore the fact that the group showed tremendous growth between the births of the two albums...and that growth alone should count for a lot. There is intelligence in the music of "The Score"...verses and bars aside...musically, the album is a gem with instrumental arrangements that call back to the beginnings of soulful music. The Fugees explored more than just rap and dabbled in R&B, reggae, and jazz, and every cut off of "The Score" is straight heart felt. And it can not be ignored that they had a secret weapon...the incomparable Ms. Lauryn Hill. No guest vocalists were needed on any records, because a dope chick with crazy pipes was a member of the group...AND SHE COULD SPIT! Mix that with 'Clef and his out of this world ability to give music a rock/soul vibe and Pras' energy and you get the perfect formula for a vital part in the history of rap music. Wait, nah! Music period! I believe the question is who reigns supreme across the musical landscape...and the answer is the Fugees, because they are more musically inclined than ATCQ. I hate to bring money into the argument but record sales speak for themselves and, "The Score" is one of the best selling rap albums of all time...more than any one of ATCQ's LPs. Every song takes the listener through a journey with old school breaks, reinvented samples that sound like fresh originals, an attitude driven groove, and bars with enough wit to impress both your grandparents and the dude that hangs on the street around the corner! It's the imperfections that make this album raw, rich, and perfect. The album has unbelievable depth...and...and...I can't keep rambling...I could go on for weeks about this. But, uh, yeah, musically, The Fugees are more talented. And the album kind of has a Wu-tang-like feel to it but that's another story. If you wanna talk to me more over this issue, holla at this brown bwwoooooy!

    And yo P.! Outkast vs. Wu Tang?? Ohhh booooooyeee!

  29. Posted by: SoHo B on July 28, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    I can always depend on Marlon to keep it all the way real! Thank you Marlon!

  30. Posted by: Mykey on July 28, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Midnight Marauders is one of my top albums... and I prefer Fugees' 2nd album.

  31. Posted by: SoHo B on July 28, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    A big thank you to JSchwaz as well. I'm not thanking you for agreeing w/ me, I want to thank you for speaking your mind. This mental journey that I'm on will be in favor of few but the few that are in favor of it overstand. Phil justice is served. Peace my brother...

  32. Posted by: Candice on July 28, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    i'm gonna say four words: a tribe called quest - enough said.
    even though, i greatly apperciate the score by the fugees' its an amazing piece of work, i may also add.

  33. Posted by: Treadmillinjay on July 28, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    TRIBE !

  34. Posted by: Pass to the left on July 28, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Slightly shocked that there was even a question in your mind Mr. Annand. The Fugees were dope for a brief moment in time. Tribe is forever.

  35. Posted by: litha on July 29, 2009 at 8:22 am

    A Tribe Called Quest...Was listening to Midnight Marauders just yesterday, dope album indeed. Also the The Score though. Shout Out from South Africa!

  36. Posted by: Kamalkiddo!!! on July 29, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Tribe without a doubt.

    And Wu vs. 'Kast ain't even a fair fight. Thats a supergroup against a duo! How 'bout 'Kast vs. Mobb. The Wu Dynasty is undeniable. The Abbott constructed masterful bodies of work... I'll stop there and just wait for that debate, but I don't think you should pit the two together. And no other 5 person+ group is touching Wu. Period.

  37. Posted by: LE on July 29, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    The Fugees hands down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  38. Posted by: Rainha Diana on August 3, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    Definitely the Tribe Called Quest Album. I agree the Fugees are a well respected and banging group of individuals that collaboratively brought a sparkle to the eye of hip hop. BUT when I am in the mood for hip hop I can always listen to A Tribe Called Quest Album and Midnight Marauders at that. I personally have to be in a mood to listen to the Fugees. Who could turn down the baseline of "Award Tour" or the lyrics to "Sucka Nigga" when sitting on a boring ass flight lol. Anyway bro continue to provoke thought.

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  39. Posted by: A Savvy on August 5, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Choosing between Tribe & Fugees is like choosing which child of yours you love best for me. Can't do it. Now The Wu vs. Outkast...Dayum...still can't, sorry.

  40. Posted by: Beans on August 7, 2009 at 9:11 am

    Fugee-La!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  41. Posted by: VeeUrbanite on August 10, 2009 at 4:06 am

    Wow Lochness sir this is hard. I mean just like the person up there i might also be bias for being haitian but when i see a tribe called quest I think of De la Soul and many other groups not saying they sound like them but they can be categorize but when i think of fugees, their only competition is them . I still cant put them in any category to this day.

    plus Lauryn Hill OMG
    If she was a dude she can would be easily in everybody's top ten mc's if not five.

  42. Posted by: HomeGrown on November 27, 2009 at 4:18 am

    I would have to give up The Score, no offense but the Tribe takes me to another level. As I listen to "Award Tour", "Can I Kick It", "Luck Of Lucien" and "I Left My Wallet In El Segundo" I feel like im in NYC prime time as Hip-Hop was emerging. It just have that essence of the Ave. Not knocking the Fugees though, just saying if the plane were to crash. I'll die with a smile on my face jamming to "Can I Kick It".

  43. Posted by: Arian on April 20, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    Q-tip and Lauryn Hill in a rap battle would be like a Rap Matrix Trilogy!!!

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